Experimental IRC log swig-2009-06-10

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01:54:21<kennyluck>.whois mttlbot
01:54:25<mttlbot>I don't know about mttlbot right now.
01:54:25<mttlbot>By the way, I don't know who you are kennyluck.
01:54:47<kennyluck>mmtlbot, I am <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/kennyluck#I>
01:55:20<kennyluck>? What happened?
01:55:27<PovAddict>you typo'd the bot nickname
01:55:32<PovAddict>that's what
01:55:34<PovAddict>:)
01:55:38<kennyluck>Ah, thanks
01:55:53<kennyluck>mttlbot, I am <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I>
01:56:03<mttlbot>I understand: <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I> foaf:holdsAccount <irc://192.168.100.27/kennyluck,isnick> .
01:56:03<mttlbot>Loaded <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck> with 11 triples.
01:56:23<kennyluck>Hmm...It's kind of weird
01:56:31<PovAddict>.whois kennyluck
01:56:32<mttlbot>I don't know about kennyluck right now.
01:56:33<mttlbot>By the way, I don't know who you are PovAddict.
01:56:38<PovAddict>huh
01:56:48<kennyluck>.whois kennyluck
01:56:49<mttlbot>I don't know about kennyluck right now.
01:57:11<kennyluck>.whois PovAddict
01:57:12<mttlbot>I don't know about PovAddict right now.
01:57:15<PovAddict>try .whoami
01:57:20<kennyluck>.whoami
01:57:20<mttlbot>I don't know about kennyluck right now.
01:57:24<PovAddict>btw, I don't yet have an URI or FOAF profile
01:57:33<kennyluck>Oh, you should.
01:57:59<PovAddict>definitely
01:59:02<PovAddict>what is the n3 syntax "X is Y of Z" about?
01:59:22<kennyluck>phenny, tell tobyink, I like your mttlbot! I wonder how I input the URI of the Tabulator? With that, I think you can ask "Tabulator developer ?" and the like. I tried to do this with my pheny but didn't have enough time
01:59:22<phenny>kennyluck: I'll pass that on when tobyink is around.
01:59:26<PovAddict>like <kennyluck#I> is doap:developer of <http://...>
01:59:44<kennyluck>reverse triples
01:59:59<kennyluck>meaning <http://...> doap:developer <kennyluck#I>.
02:00:03<kennyluck>PovAddict
02:00:05<PovAddict>cool
02:00:27<PovAddict>I use turtle tho :)
02:01:19<kennyluck>I forgot whether turtle has this feature or not.
02:01:19<PovAddict>the only shorthand thing I think it has is 'a'
02:01:19<PovAddict>for rdf:type
02:01:19<kennyluck>It certainly doesn't have the @keywords feature
02:01:19<PovAddict>but I may be wrong
02:03:41<kennyluck>phenny, tell danbri, when will the next version of FOAF be released. I am going to Japan soon and I would like to show some of the people that RDF is truly language independent, and FOAF is definitely the thing I want to show. (I vaguely remembered you talked about cross-country friendship in your blog or something)
02:03:41<phenny>kennyluck: I'll pass that on when danbri is around.
02:04:28<PovAddict>why, is the current version "not international enough"?
02:04:43<kennyluck>no enough rdfs:label for other languages.
02:05:09<kennyluck>Tabulator displays not URI but rdfs:label for things.
02:05:57<kennyluck>And I notice there are lots of FOAF translations around in the space of FOAF project. The only thing left to do is just run a single command to combine them.
02:06:00<PovAddict>ooh I didn't know that property
02:06:25<PovAddict>what do you mean with FOAF translations?
02:06:43<PovAddict>foaf:knows made into es-foaf:conoce?
02:07:09<adu>do you talk about RDF here?
02:07:10<kennyluck>for example in my FOAF. I say. I rdfs:label "Kenny"@en, "呂康豪"@zh-tw
02:07:24<PovAddict>right
02:07:33<adu>wow my client accepts UTF8! that was so cool!
02:07:34<kennyluck>PovAddict, in RDF, literals can be typed
02:07:38<PovAddict>can't you do that with foaf:name?
02:08:09<kennyluck>I mean, it should be. foaf:name rdfs:label "name"@en, "名字"@zh-tw
02:08:41<PovAddict>ah, rdfs:label applies to predicates?
02:08:43<kennyluck>A user interface depending on rdfs:label for showing random predicates would benefit from this, PovAddict
02:08:52<adu>"名前"@jp
02:08:53<PovAddict>and the current foaf predicates don't have labels in multiple languages?
02:09:08<kennyluck>exactly, adu.
02:09:14<kennyluck>No
02:09:38<kennyluck>well, some of the DOAP predicates have spanish tags
02:09:53<kennyluck>all the dbpedia uris have multilingual tags.
02:10:05<kennyluck>FOAF is a big miss, I think.
02:10:20<adu>I was wondering if the idea of encoding MathML in RDF has been brought up here?
02:10:35<kennyluck>not heard of.
02:10:42<adu>http://straymindcough.blogspot.com/2009/06/semantic-mathml.html
02:13:42<PovAddict>well if they need contributions...
02:13:55<PovAddict>foaf:Document rdfs:label "Documento"@es .
02:14:06<PovAddict>foaf:Organization rdfs:label "Organización"@es .
02:15:45<adu>"Dokumento"@eo
02:16:18<PovAddict>http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/foaf18n/
02:16:52<PovAddict>B:|Translations of FOAF term definitions
02:16:54<PovAddict>B:any idea who can be contacted for contributions/fixes to that?
02:18:43<PovAddict>hmm
02:18:54<PovAddict>I think I'll configure my system so that application/rdf+xml is handled by a script
02:19:11<PovAddict>that converts it to turtle using rapper, then shows it in gvim (for which I have n3/turtle syntax highlighting)
02:19:12<PovAddict>:)
02:19:52<adu>ACTION <3 Turtle
02:38:57<adu>does anyone here use Jena?
02:39:18<PovAddict>I think mttlbot does ;)
02:39:19<adu>I can't figure out how to use it
02:39:45<adu>I just want to process sparql queries...
02:42:42<kasei>adu: I don't use jena much at all, but I've used it on occasion to do sparqly things. what's the problem?
03:01:32<adu>kasei: is there a commandline tool to process sparql queries?
03:09:45<snail>adu: I'm not aware of a commandline tool. escaping the special characters would be a nightmare...
03:10:18<adu>just use single quotes
03:10:39<PovAddict>yes in Unix :)
03:10:46<PovAddict>Windows doesn't parse single quotes
03:11:42<adu>ppl should learn unix, I once talked to someone who programmed in bash for 20 years and he didn't know how "$@" worked
03:12:20<PovAddict>o_o
03:12:27<PovAddict>I don't want to maintain his code
03:15:10<adu>http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/utilities/xcu_chap02.html#tag_02_05_02
03:15:33<PovAddict>yes I know it
03:38:14<kasei>adu: I'm not familiar enough to know in general, but there's things like tdbquery if your data is in tdb.
03:38:25<kasei>other than that, you might check in #jena for a better answer
03:39:13<adu>kasei: thanks
03:40:40<kasei>oh, actually, arq.query might be what you want.
03:41:16<kasei>s/might be/is/
03:45:40<snail>C| POSIX definition of $@
03:46:59<PovAddict>C:| POSIX definition of $@
03:47:55<snail>PovAddict:++
03:48:15<PovAddict>I think I'll go to sleep before i pass out
03:48:43<adu>PovAddict: ooo you like PovRay?
03:49:37<PovAddict>yes
03:49:41<PovAddict>but now I do more useful things
03:49:45<PovAddict>than raytraced images
03:49:59<PovAddict>but now I'm stuck with this IRC nickname -.-
03:50:30<adu>:) i was once a fan of povray, but then I learned blender
04:01:49<adu>OMDoc++
04:05:02<PovAddict>heh
04:05:07<PovAddict>I searched OMDoc in google
04:05:16<PovAddict>first hit omdoc.org
04:05:21<PovAddict>text extract from page: Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/omdoc.org/index.php:3) in /var/www/omdoc.org/index.php on ...
04:32:18<adu>ya... you have to hack your way through the trac directories to get to the documentation
04:47:12<mhausenblas>morning Web of Data
04:53:09<adu_>hi mhausenblas
04:54:23<mhausenblas>ACTION waves to adu_
04:54:33<adu_>how are you today?
04:54:49<mhausenblas>not too bad, thanks, and yourself?
04:56:10<mhausenblas>ACTION is wondering, now, that we've fixed the ping manager (http://blog.sindice.com/2009/06/09/bring-on-them-pings/) - why can't one submit her voiD files?
04:56:34<mhausenblas>maybe someone external has to request it ...
08:17:26<tobyink>logger pointer
08:17:27<phenny>tobyink: 01:59Z <kennyluck> tell tobyink I like your mttlbot! I wonder how I input the URI of the Tabulator? With that, I think you can ask "Tabulator developer ?" and the like. I tried to do this with my pheny but didn't have enough time
08:17:37<tobyink>logger, pointer
08:17:37<logger>See http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-06-10#T09-17-36
08:18:00<tobyink>phenny, tell kennyluck see http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-06-10#T09-17-36
08:18:00<phenny>tobyink: I'll pass that on when kennyluck is around.
08:19:17<tobyink>.load <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/data>
08:19:26<mttlbot>Loaded <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/data> with 118 triples.
08:22:15<tobyink>And let's add some triples right here in IRC, not loading any external file. #mttl http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/data#Tabulator is foaf:topic_interest of <@kennyluck> .
08:22:17<mttlbot>tobyink: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244622135.9527>.
08:22:41<tobyink>Check that this has worked...
08:24:04<tobyink>.sparql select ?name where { <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I> foaf:topic_interest ?x . ?x doap:name ?name . }
08:24:04<mttlbot>name="The Tabulator Project"
08:26:11<tobyink>.load <http://people.csail.mit.edu/kennyluck/wiki/myself>
08:26:35<tobyink>hmm?
08:27:32<tobyink>Error was "Redland error: XML parser error: Document is empty". Looks like mttlbot was trying to parse N3 as RDF/XML. :-(
08:32:59<Anchakor>tobyink: nice work on mttlbot, clever way to make people learn a new language even if they don't want it - make an irc bot ;)
08:34:02<tobyink>Most of the interesting stuff is SPARQL and MicroTurtle, the latter of which is just a small variation on Turtle. (And people here should know SPARQL and Turtle.)
08:35:02<tobyink>phenny: tell PovAddict re http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-06-10#T04-49-58 you could change your IRC nick to RecoveringAddict.
08:35:02<phenny>tobyink: I'll pass that on when PovAddict is around.
08:42:49<besbes>looks like http://pipes.deri.org:8080/pipes/ is down ...
08:45:28<shellac>444444444+
08:45:28<shellac>*-
08:45:42<shellac>arsing cat!
08:56:33<libby>heh
09:07:57<tobyink>.sub <http://prefix.cc/popular/all>
09:08:28<mttlbot>tobyink: Subscribed to <http://prefix.cc/popular/all>.
09:08:28<mttlbot>Loaded <http://prefix.cc/popular/all> with 934 triples.
09:09:15<tobyink>.sparql select ?uri where { [] vann:preferredNamespacePrefix "doap" ; vann:preferredNamespaceUri ?uri . }
09:09:15<mttlbot>tobyink: Parse error: PREFIX bio: <http://purl.org/vocab/bio/0.1/> PREFIX cc: <http://creativecommons.org/ns#> PREFIX ccold: <http://web.resource.org/cc/> PREFIX ccrel: <http://creativecommons.org/ns#> PREFIX dc: <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> PREFIX dc11: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> PREFIX dcterms: <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> PREFIX doac: <http://ramonantonio.net/doac/0.1/#> PREFIX doap: <http://usefulinc.com/ns/doap#>
09:10:17<tobyink>.sparql prefix vann: <http://purl.org/vocab/vann/> select ?uri where { [] vann:preferredNamespacePrefix "doap"@en ; vann:preferredNamespaceUri ?uri . }
09:10:18<mttlbot>uri="http://usefulinc.com/ns/doap#"
09:10:43<tobyink>I think that query is a candidate for libby's sparql template idea.
09:40:33<tobyink>mttlbot: mttlbot is <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/#bot>
09:40:35<mttlbot>I understand: <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/#bot> foaf:holdsAccount <irc://192.168.100.27/mttlbot,isnick> .
09:43:10<tobyink>.whois mttlbot
09:43:10<mttlbot>mttlbot is mttlbot <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/#bot>. (mttlbot, The MicroTurtle Robot Instance) WWW: <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/>.
09:43:46<tobyink>oh no, it's become self-aware!
09:46:18<melvster>well i for one welcome our new micro turtle overlords ...
09:46:33<Anchakor>mttlbot: /nick skynet
09:46:34<mttlbot>Does not compute!
10:14:55<melvster>http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/bizer/toolkits/
10:15:29<melvster>D: RDF toolkits, may be an old link, but hadnt seen it before ...
10:19:57<melvster>ah redland supports sqlite
10:24:42<libby>yeah though it's support is't completely perfect there
10:24:52<libby>*isn't
11:36:06<tobyink>.unsub <http://prefix.cc/popular/all>
11:36:10<mttlbot>tobyink: Unsubscribed from <http://prefix.cc/popular/all>.
11:36:10<mttlbot>Dropped <http://prefix.cc/popular/all>.
11:36:21<tobyink>Don't really need to fetch it on an hourly basis.
11:36:34<tobyink>.load <http://prefix.cc/popular/all>
11:37:00<tobyink>Will just load it manually when it's looking a bit stale.
11:37:22<mttlbot>Loaded <http://prefix.cc/popular/all> with 936 triples.
11:37:41<tobyink>Perhaps I need to have configurable reloading times for each subscription?
11:47:23<tuukkah>anyone working on one these for the semantic web yet? https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/collections/
12:17:45<melvster>tuukkah: i think danbri made a page of semweb ff addons, cant remember the link tho, there's tabulator, semantic radar and openlink data explorer that come to mind
12:17:52<tobyink>.sparql prefix vann: <http://purl.org/vocab/vann/> select ?uri where { [] vann:preferredNamespacePrefix "rdfs"@en ; vann:preferredNamespaceUri ?uri . }
12:17:54<mttlbot>uri="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#"
12:18:46<melvster>here's some: http://swik.net/RDF+Firefox
12:21:07<melvster>id really like to see a collaborative addon or even greasemonkey script that adds rdfa markup to normal web pages
12:23:28<melvster>it should be as easy as right click or hover over an element, then it calculates the xpath, and you type in a predicate or natural language description, it then goes away and merges the annotation with the global store
12:24:25<melvster>that way one by one all the major websites would be rdf ready and anyone running the addon would be able to see the markup out of the box
12:26:23<melvster>autopager does a really great job of this to remove paging on the web
12:36:22<mhausenblas>kidehen?
12:36:57<mhausenblas>the answer to your question is: http://esw.w3.org/topic/ESWEditorsGroup - see also my mail to LOD/SW lists
12:55:10<hhalpin>#swxg
13:01:30<gsnedders>hhalpin: ping
13:02:21<mischat>gsnedders: harry is chairing a w3c teleconf on swxg for the next hour or so
13:02:31<gsnedders>mischat: ah, ok
13:02:37<kwijibo_>melvster: what's autopager ?
13:56:46<kidehen>tobyink: know about any ontologies for recipes (food variety)/
13:57:47<tobyink>I know of a couple. Am in SWXG telecon now, but free in a couple of mins.
14:01:33<lbjay>i would als be very interested in recipe ontologies
14:01:38<lbjay>aslo
14:01:58<lbjay>i saw one a while back that eikeon was working on
14:02:56<lbjay>ACTION sighs
14:02:58<lbjay>also
14:05:04<tobyink>OK, main recipe vocab I know of is http://donnafales.com/2002/07/28/recipe-schema# but it's not especially complete.
14:05:24<lbjay>tobyink: ahh, that's the one eikeon pointed me at
14:05:45<lbjay>needs some work
14:06:12<tobyink>Thomas Loertsch <http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ThomasLoertsch> is interested in creating an RDF vocab to mirror the hRecipe microformat.
14:06:14<melvster>any help? http://www.inesc-id.pt/ficheiros/publicacoes/3240.pdf
14:06:54<kidehen>melvster: what's in the PDF?
14:07:06<melvster>The ontology comprehends
14:07:06<melvster>four main modules covering the key concepts of the cooking domain – actions,
14:07:06<melvster>food, recipes, and utensils – and three auxiliary modules – units and measures,
14:07:06<melvster>equivalencies and plate types.
14:07:23<tobyink>#mttl http://microformats.org/wiki/hrecipe dc:title "hRecipe 0.21" ; dc:creator [ foaf:name "Thomas Loertsch" ] ; dc:contributor <@tobyink> .
14:07:37<lbjay>my gripe with the attempts to model recipe data is they seem satisfied to just model the... "text" and not the actual process
14:07:40<kidehen>melvster: what's holding up manifestation in RDF Schema or OWL form?
14:08:40<melvster>kidehen: not sure only read the abstract, could not x-reference with swoogle as it's down right now
14:08:50<lbjay>melvster: neat. i haven't seen that
14:10:07<kidehen>tobyink: http://donnafales.com/2002/07/28/recipe-schema# is interesting, and hRecipe mapping shouldn't be a big deal
14:10:32<tobyink>RecipeBook XML is a pretty nice format and potentially GRDDLable.
14:20:11<lbjay>but is it enough to just have the equivalent of <p class="instructions">?
14:20:19<lbjay>from hRecipe
14:21:21<lbjay>i mean, there's a lot of data in that "instructions" paragraphs. grouping of ingredients (dry|wet), order to combine them, etc.
14:25:58<Anchakor>lbjay: if you find some ontology describing similar instructions, I too would be interested...
14:27:17<tobyink1>Sorry, computer problems. As I was saying...
14:29:25<lbjay>Anchakor: will do. i'm still trying to wrap my head around how to model such things
14:29:28<tobyink1>#mttl http://www.anthus.com/Recipes/CompCook.html dc:title "Computerized Cooking" ; dc:creator [foaf:name "David A Mundie"] .
14:29:28<mttlbot>tobyink1: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink1/1244644167.1528>.
14:29:28<mttlbot>By the way, I don't know who you are tobyink1.
14:30:01<tobyink1>mttlbot, i am <http://tobyinkster.co.uk/#i>
14:31:30<lbjay>there is something called "Gourmet XML"
14:31:40<lbjay>http://grecipe-manager.sourceforge.net/#importexport
14:33:07<tobyink>#mttl http://www.anthus.com/Recipes/CompCook.html gist "Breaks up cooking into steps and provides a postfix notation for them."
14:33:08<mttlbot>tobyink: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244644387.5425>.
14:41:53<tobyink>Also re recipes Swignition is able to convert hRecipe -> donnafales.com RDF vocab -> RecipeBook XML.
14:50:13<tobyink>Not sure if this was stored before my computer crashed... #mttl http://microformats.org/wiki/hrecipe dc:title "hRecipe 0.21" ; dc:creator [ foaf:name "Thomas Loertsch" ] ; dc:contributor <@tobyink> .
14:51:18<tobyink>hmmm... mttlbot doesn't seem to like that.
14:55:09<lbjay>#mttl http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4023858&isnumber=4023845 gist "describe Dish_Master as an intelligent, adaptive, and cooperative manager for a Web-based recipe database"
14:55:30<lbjay>:(
14:55:58<tobyink>mttlbot, hello
14:55:58<mttlbot>Greetings from your humblest servant.
14:56:01<lbjay>woo!
14:56:29<tobyink>I don't think it's liking bnodes at the moment though.
14:56:52<tobyink>reporting lbjay's message... #mttl http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4023858&isnumber=4023845 gist "describe Dish_Master as an intelligent, adaptive, and cooperative manager for a Web-based recipe database"
14:57:01<mttlbot>tobyink: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244645811.4634>.
14:58:19<lbjay>tobyink: are those graph links supposed to return something?
14:58:35<tobyink>They don't yet, but you can do this...
14:59:20<tobyink>.sparql construct {?s ?p ?o.} where { graph <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244645811.4634> { ?s ?p ?o . } }
14:59:21<mttlbot>tobyink: Internal Server Error [PREFIX bio: <http://purl.org/vocab/bio/0.1/>
14:59:32<tobyink>.sparql construct {?s ?p ?o} where { graph <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244645811.4634> { ?s ?p ?o . } }
14:59:32<mttlbot>tobyink: Internal Server Error [PREFIX bio: <http://purl.org/vocab/bio/0.1/>
14:59:43<tobyink>You see, great aren't they?!
14:59:53<lbjay>indeed :)
15:01:06<tobyink>I'm probably getting the punctuation wrong in my SPARQL or something.
15:03:29<lbjay>i do alot of cooking and i have a little recipe blog, so the issue of structured recipe data modeling is very interesting to me
15:22:38<kidehen>lbjay: so we need a Linked Data for Food that has a recipes enclave. The same space would also handle Nutritional facts etc..
15:22:56<lbjay>ACTION nods
15:22:57<kidehen>lbjay: meant: Linked Data Space for Food :-)
15:23:26<kidehen>lbjay: then aforementioned space simply meshes with the broader Linked Data Cloud
15:23:30<lbjay>nutritional data is widely available but not in an LoD form AFAIK
15:24:06<kidehen>lbjay: I recall someone was trying to get the nutritional data space going, just can't remember his name etc..
15:24:29<kidehen>.g nutrition
15:24:29<phenny>kidehen: http://www.nutrition.gov/
15:24:39<kidehen>.g nutrition rdf
15:24:40<phenny>kidehen: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=20456
15:25:11<lbjay>kidehen: maybe http://clockwerx.blogspot.com/2009/01/generating-nutritional-data-rdf-from.html
15:25:24<kidehen>lbjay: that's the one
15:31:00<kidehen>timbl: u there? Got a sec?
15:32:03<kidehen>phenny, tell timbl: is Linked Data Gathering at Semantic Tech Conf. (San Jose) a possibility?
15:32:04<phenny>kidehen: I'll pass that on when timbl is around.
15:32:37<kidehen>phenny, tell timbl: re. your possible attendance etc.
15:32:37<phenny>kidehen: I'll pass that on when timbl is around.
15:33:02<Shepard>can anyone on http://esw.w3.org/topic/ESWEditorsGroup add me to that list please? username is SimonReinhardt. thanks!
15:33:34<tobyink>Oh, me too.
15:36:09<lbjay>i would be happy to add a page for describing the various IRC bot semweb applications
15:47:57<tobyink>lbjay: Graph URIs should now work. #mttl <#graphUrisStartWorking> a event:Event ; event:agent <#me> ; rdfs:label "Graph URIs Start Working" .
15:47:58<mttlbot>tobyink: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244648877.9589>.
15:52:01<tobyink>Found the source of a lot of my DESCRIBE frustration too. Was using <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> as a predicate instead of <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type>. Of course, that can't be turned into a QName, so means a graph can't be serialised to RDF/XML. Turtle FTW.
15:53:53<lbjay>tobyink: nice
15:55:04<tobyink>can do e.g. http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graph.cgi?uri=http://tobyinkster.co.uk/ to see what mttlbot knows about any graph that it's loaded.
15:55:10<tobyink>.graphs
15:55:11<mttlbot>tobyink: see <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/saved/5b2ecc47667a872857899921822975f0c9d803e3>.
15:55:25<tobyink>is the list of all graphs that mttlbot knows about.
15:57:05<lbjay>tobyink: is mttlbot.pl in a public svn repo somewhere?
15:57:57<tobyink>there's a repository browse thing here - http://goddamn.co.uk/viewvc/microturtle/trunk/bot/
15:58:19<lbjay>tobyink: yeah that's what i'm looking at
15:58:24<tobyink>but I still need to open up whatever port svn uses on my firewall for direct access.
15:58:54<lbjay>tobyink: i guess i could copy it from there
15:59:19<tobyink>port 3690 apparently. give me a moment.
16:03:22<tobyink>This ought to do the trick - svn co svn://goddamn.co.uk/microturtle/
16:03:22<tobyink>Let me know if you want commit access.
16:03:25<tobyink>Perl modules that aren't bundled are on CPAN.
16:03:48<PovAddict>yes, that works
16:03:48<phenny>PovAddict: 08:35Z <tobyink> tell PovAddict re http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-06-10#T04-49-58 you could change your IRC nick to RecoveringAddict.
16:04:12<lbjay>tobyink: got it. awesome.
16:04:13<PovAddict>heh
16:04:32<PovAddict>it's two problems actually
16:05:00<PovAddict>not only picking a new nick, but also the problem of many people already knowing me by this nickname
16:05:35<lbjay>tobyink: i may try to run one over in #code4lib. i probably don't have time to really hack on it, but we'll see...
16:05:56<LeeF>i'm guessing this is a longshot, but are there any RDF/XML experts hanging around?
16:06:15<tobyink>How expert?
16:06:36<LeeF>enough to tell me whether a property-and-node element can have property attributes
16:06:44<LeeF>since the spec seems to say "yes" in one sentence and then "no" in the next
16:06:55<LeeF>(i.e. a parseType="Resource" element)
16:07:10<tobyink>Ah. Interesting.
16:07:23<LeeF>. http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-syntax-grammar/#section-Syntax-parsetype-resource being the relevant section
16:07:40<tobyink>I wonder the same thing about <dc:creator foaf:name="Toby Inkster" rdf:resource="http://tobyinkster.co.uk/#i" />
16:07:56<LeeF>ah yeah, similar thing there, though i haven't read the spec about that one :)
16:08:00<tobyink>Each attribute is OK on its own, but in combination?
16:08:27<LeeF>"""
16:08:33<LeeF>The omission is done by putting an rdf:parseType="Resource" attribute on the containing property element that turns the property element into a property-and-node element, which can itself have both property elements and property attributes. Property attributes and the rdf:nodeID attribute are not permitted on property-and-node elements.
16:08:34<LeeF>"""
16:08:45<LeeF>The first sentence pretty clearly says "yes, go ahead" and the second very clearly says "no, don't"
16:10:00<tobyink>LeeF: that is terrible! section 7 may clarify.
16:10:21<PovAddict>time to go spec-fixing?
16:10:35<tobyink>PovAddict, lbjay: the RDF::MicroTurtle lib will be updated in the next half hour or so, so you may wish to svn update then.
16:10:54<PovAddict>I know no Perl
16:11:14<LeeF>ACTION wanders off to section 7
16:11:22<PovAddict>I was just helping by checking if you had opened the port correctly :)
16:11:51<LeeF>oh geez, i can't read this
16:12:19<LeeF>actually i sort of can
16:12:23<LeeF>i think the grammar says it's not allowed
16:13:36<tobyink>That's my reading of it too. Maybe dajobe knows?
16:26:44<lbjay>mttlbot: about
16:26:45<mttlbot>The MicroTurtle Robot 0.1.1
16:26:45<mttlbot> Jena 2.6.0, SDB 1.3.0 RC3, Joseki 3.4.0
16:26:45<mttlbot> RDF::Redland 1.0.5.4, Redland 1.0.9, Raptor 1.4.18
16:26:45<mttlbot> RDF::RDFa::Parser 0.11
16:26:45<mttlbot> POE::Component::IRC 6.08
16:26:47<mttlbot> Perl v5.10.0
16:26:49<mttlbot> Linux ophelia2.g5n.co.uk 2.6.24.7-server-2mnb #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 14:50:37 EDT 2008 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz GNU/Linux
16:27:01<lbjay>oops
16:27:29<dngor>mttlbot: left, forward 20
16:27:31<mttlbot>Does not compute!
16:30:50<tobyink>I've made angle brackets around IRC nick shortcuts optional in MicroTurtle provided that the IRC nick is alphanumeric-plus-hyphens. e.g. #mttl <#me> foaf:knows @bblfish, @csarven, @mattl
16:30:51<mttlbot>tobyink: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244651449.9196>.
16:33:15<tobyink>That's mostly useful for using MicroTurtle on microblogs rather than IRC.
16:37:34<lbjay>@sing tullycraft : skyway
16:37:49<lbjay>bah. i suck
16:46:49<dajobe>the quote above from rdf/xml is ambiguous, I thought it was commented on in eratta.
16:47:22<kidehen>http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/San-Jose-Semantic-Web-Meetup/#this
16:47:38<kidehen>F: Generic Meetup for Linked Data enthusiasts
16:48:35<kidehen>F: Next meetup is San Jose (Wednesday the 17th) somewhere in the Fairmont (or elsewhere in the area)
16:48:52<kidehen>.load http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/San-Jose-Semantic-Web-Meetup/#this
16:50:05<mischat>http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jun/10/berners-lee-downing-street-web-open
16:50:22<mischat>G: TBL to help open up UK gov data
16:50:24<SifuMoraga>It's annoying that the Meetup of Meetups in SJ is listed on so many different Meetups but there is no unifying view...
16:50:38<SifuMoraga>Unless you use Marco's RDF Meetup aggregator
16:50:55<SifuMoraga>But Meetup.com should have provided this.
16:58:14<kidehen>http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/linkeddata/#this
16:58:30<kidehen>H: Changed mind re. URI already. This is the new Meetup URI
16:59:05<kidehen>.load http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/linkeddata/#this
17:00:12<kidehen>H: <http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/linkeddata/#this> owl:sameAs <http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/San-Jose-Semantic-Web-Meetup/#this> (at least for now).
17:14:43<mhausenblas>kidehen around?
17:14:53<kidehen>partially
17:15:03<mhausenblas>just a quick q. dya know why http://community.linkeddata.org is down?
17:15:19<mhausenblas>I'd need to grab some of the content to transfer it to linkeddata.org
17:15:22<kidehen>mhausenblas: ah! need to chat about that
17:15:28<mhausenblas>right
17:15:48<kidehen>mhausenblas: I want to move to a newer version of Virtuoso and ODS, but this means a new AMI and ipaddress
17:15:57<kidehen>mhausenblas: is the Wiki part still being used?
17:16:26<kidehen>mhausenblas: the new edition will have foaf+ssl etc..
17:16:38<mhausenblas>so, no, not really
17:16:47<kidehen>mhausenblas: I assume the Wiki part isn't used anymore, right?
17:16:50<mhausenblas>that is there are only some bits there to be rescued
17:16:53<mhausenblas>yep
17:17:03<kidehen>mhausenblas: so I can move the system over and not worry about MediaWiki headaches
17:17:10<mhausenblas>yep
17:17:21<mhausenblas>but please make sure that we have a dump of the pages
17:17:31<kidehen>mhausenblas: i'll have a new AMI up in few minutes
17:17:34<mhausenblas>I need to wade through it and transfer to linkeddata.org
17:17:36<mhausenblas>coll
17:17:37<kidehen>mhausenblas: I have backups
17:17:40<mhausenblas>s/coll/cool
17:17:54<mhausenblas>very well. were do I get them from? :)
17:50:57<kidehen>mhausenblas: when I get the new AMI online
17:51:10<kidehen>http://welcomebackstage.com/2009/06/bbc-backstage-sparql-endpoint/
17:51:12<csarven>Anyone from Den Haag / Netherlands? :)
17:51:30<kidehen>I: BBC unveil full blown Linked Data Space
19:08:38<mhausenblas>good nite Web of Data
19:30:41<PovAddict>how do I search for wikipedia/dbpedia pages in both Category:Luxury_brands and Category:Mobile_phone_companies, to find luxury mobile phone companies?
19:37:40<snail>PovAddict: using sparql?
19:40:13<PovAddict>or *anything*
19:40:13<PovAddict>I'm not looking for a sparql endpoint to wikipedia; I'm looking for luxury mobile phones (out of curiosity), any tool that gets me the info will do :)
19:44:46<MacTed>PovAddict - you might start with the simple ... http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl%3Awikipedia+"Luxury+brands"+"Mobile+phone+companies"
19:45:14<PovAddict>hmph :)
20:17:17<LeeF>MacTed++
20:21:29<MacTed>.karma MacTed
20:21:40<MacTed>hmph
21:22:56<Shepard>hmm I wish there was a function like langMatches in SPARQL that works like conneg, choosing the best label according to the user's language preferences (with q values)
21:23:45<Shepard>or does it already do that?
21:50:56<melvster>quite a big day for linked data, both uk gov and bbc both seem to have made large strides forward
21:51:37<PovAddict>melvster++
21:51:39<PovAddict>well
21:51:45<PovAddict>ukgov++; bbc++; :)
22:01:22<Anchakor>http://www.mkbergman.com/?p=492
22:01:38<Anchakor>J:Ontology Best Practices for Data-driven Applications: Part 3
22:02:15<Anchakor>J: nice article
22:03:11<Anchakor>J|:Ontology Best Practices for Data-driven Applications: Part 3
22:03:37<Anchakor>J:|Ontology Best Practices for Data-driven Applications: Part 3
22:03:47<Anchakor>J1:""
22:03:52<Anchakor>J
22:04:04<Anchakor>J:
22:24:10<yvesr>http://welcomebackstage.com/2009/06/bbc-backstage-sparql-endpoint/
22:24:19<yvesr>K:| BBC SPARQL end-points
22:24:45<yvesr>K: Hold /music & /programmes data
22:25:01<yvesr>K: Hosted by Talis & OpenLink

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