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| 07:25:46 | <mhausenblas> | morning Web Of Data |
| 07:38:23 | <EtnaRosso> | salve a tutti |
| 07:58:18 | <phrearch> | morning |
| 08:09:02 | <danbri> | mornin' |
| 08:13:43 | <lmaurits> | Morning! |
| 11:36:32 | <danbri> | http://walking-papers.org/ |
| 11:36:45 | <danbri> | A:|Paper-based map annotation! |
| 11:36:50 | <danbri> | A:Very nice |
| 11:36:57 | <danbri> | A:"Print maps, draw on them, scan them back in and help OpenStreetMap improve its coverage of local points of interests and street detail." |
| 13:50:05 | <MacTed> | phenny, ask pipian to please add http://telegraphis.net/data/ dumps and other info to http://esw.w3.org/topic/DataSetRDFDumps , http://esw.w3.org/topic/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/DataSets/LinkStatistics , http://esw.w3.org/topic/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/DataSets/Statistics , http://esw.w3.org/topic/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/DataSets , etc. |
| 13:50:05 | <phenny> | MacTed: I'll pass that on when pipian is around. |
| 16:16:29 | <tobyink> | 89 hours until awesomeness arrives. |
| 16:20:18 | <_psychic_> | tobyink: 89 hours? |
| 16:20:34 | <tobyink> | Indeed. Slightly less in fact. |
| 16:20:41 | <_psychic_> | How so? |
| 16:21:20 | <tobyink> | Well, awesomeness arrives at 9:00Z on Tuesday, and that's less than 89 hours away. |
| 16:24:24 | <_psychic_> | Okay. :/ |
| 16:27:03 | <tobyink> | Well, if I said any more it would spoil the surprise. |
| 16:30:31 | <_psychic_> | I suppose that's what I was hoping for, in a way. :) |
| 16:31:58 | <csarven> | tobyink Is awesomeness for all mankind or just you? =) |
| 16:33:00 | <tobyink> | For the subset of mankind with Internet access. |
| 17:07:44 | <mattl> | tobyink: are you bringing awesomeness? |
| 17:10:17 | <tobyink> | Yes, on Tuesday. |
| 17:11:57 | <melvster> | anyone know how well sqlight works as a triplestore? |
| 17:12:19 | <PovAddict> | sqlite? |
| 17:13:33 | <melvster> | sorry yes |
| 17:14:29 | <melvster> | i was thinking of putting the swse deri dump in there, but now i cant find it |
| 17:18:46 | <melvster> | hmm not linked in anymore, but still here: http://sw.deri.org/2009/01/visinav/faq.html |
| 17:33:46 | <SifuMoraga> | I just posted an unprocessed video from last night's Semantic Web Meetup on Semantic Advertising. |
| 17:33:49 | <SifuMoraga> | It's rough. |
| 17:33:53 | <SifuMoraga> | It's ugly. |
| 17:33:57 | <SifuMoraga> | It's lowres. |
| 17:34:01 | <SifuMoraga> | But it's up: http://vimeo.com/5019681 |
| 17:34:08 | <akozak> | semantic advertising? |
| 17:34:30 | <SifuMoraga> | Yes, that was my thought, too. But it was more interesting than expected. |
| 17:39:11 | <melvster> | always thought semantic advertising was a pretty natural idea, look at items in your foaf:interests, then present the best value products in that field |
| 17:48:52 | <SifuMoraga> | They were talking about how to do better advertising with semantics |
| 17:49:30 | <akozak> | man this video has a long intro |
| 17:54:47 | <rreck> | if i would like to make an assertion about a paragraph/component of a document does anyone know an elegant way to refer (URI) to it? |
| 17:57:36 | <akozak> | can't you use html anchors? |
| 17:58:14 | <rreck> | yes, if i wanted to edit the source. im talking about my facebook page. imagine i wanted to say something about "my contact information" only |
| 17:58:52 | <rreck> | i dont think there is an "easy" answer but i thought id ask before making something up |
| 18:03:22 | <rreck> | maybe i could do something with <div id=\"info_section_contact\" class=\"info_section\"> ? |
| 18:03:58 | <rreck> | id != #name |
| 18:18:50 | <danbri> | anyone with python powers got a minute? |
| 18:18:59 | <danbri> | am trying to do something that i'd find easy in perl or ruby ... |
| 18:19:02 | <danbri> | def codelink(self, s): |
| 18:19:02 | <danbri> | reg1 = re.compile(r"""<code>foaf:(\w+)<\/code>""") |
| 18:19:02 | <danbri> | s_linked = reg1.replace(r"""<code><a href=\"#term_#\1\">foaf:#\1</a></code>""", s) |
| 18:19:03 | <danbri> | return(s_linked) |
| 18:19:47 | <danbri> | it goes from <code>foaf:xyz</code> to <code><a href="#term_xyz">foaf:xyz</a></code> |
| 18:19:55 | <danbri> | well at the moment it doesn't do anything :) |
| 18:57:19 | <melvster> | rreck: dont know a definitive answer but does xpath help? |
| 18:58:46 | <melvster> | there's a firefox addon called autopager with mades asserstions about tags in a page using xpath and stores that in XML, in particular, it finds the next button on almost any page |
| 18:59:43 | <PovAddict> | ugh |
| 18:59:46 | <melvster> | it also uses xpath to delimit the 'content' in the page |
| 18:59:50 | <PovAddict> | <link rel="next">! |
| 19:00:08 | <melvster> | not all pages have that, and you also need to know which part of the next page to pull |
| 19:00:10 | <PovAddict> | few websites use that <link>, but also, I wish browsers *used* it when it's present |
| 19:00:20 | <melvster> | opera uses it |
| 19:00:25 | <melvster> | just press space |
| 19:00:32 | <PovAddict> | Konqueror has an "up" button |
| 19:00:44 | <PovAddict> | that removes the last slash-separated part of the URL |
| 19:00:49 | <PovAddict> | instead of using the <link> taking "up" |
| 19:01:00 | <melvster> | PovAddict: you should try autopager, it's awesome |
| 19:01:23 | <melvster> | i dream of a global rdfa version |
| 19:01:34 | <PovAddict> | probably because Konqueror's it's-a-webbrowser-it's-a-file-browser-it's-BOTH is more even extreme than Windows |
| 19:01:57 | <melvster> | i rarely use anything other than opera as its ultra fast |
| 19:02:04 | <rreck> | melvster: ty |
| 19:02:25 | <melvster> | rreck, sorry i dont know the answer, but it's a very interesting question |
| 19:02:53 | <melvster> | imagine we could have a global scraping repository that added semantic markup to pages like facebook, google etc. |
| 19:02:53 | <PovAddict> | rreck: huh? anchors use ID, and the name attribute is deprecated |
| 19:03:00 | <rreck> | i will just "paint with a broad brush" for now |
| 19:03:25 | <rreck> | PovAddict: shows how much i know |
| 19:03:35 | <melvster> | you dont need to wait for pages to go rdfa then, you just apply the transform |
| 19:03:55 | <PovAddict> | /page.php#info_section_contact would make the browser focus on that div |
| 19:04:10 | <melvster> | if someone wants a site to be semantic they just highlight the iteam a la autopager/firebug and type in suggested predicates |
| 19:04:21 | <melvster> | s/iteam/item |
| 19:04:51 | <melvster> | then the addon downloads the xml, and everyone else gets the benefit |
| 19:04:56 | <rreck> | so the assertions apply to only what is contained in the div tag? |
| 19:05:34 | <rreck> | inside that div tag i mean |
| 19:05:58 | <rreck> | that is a great answer |
| 19:06:06 | <melvster> | if using xpath i guess so, but i suspect someone here will know the 'proper' way of doing things |
| 19:06:57 | <rreck> | which is why i asked, seems like PovAddict has abundantly more clue than myself. thanks. |
| 19:07:28 | <melvster> | hmm i didnt know that either :) |
| 19:07:59 | <PovAddict> | people sometimes use <a name="part1"><h1>Part 1</h1> |
| 19:08:09 | <PovAddict> | which is even wrong because an <a> needs a closing tag |
| 19:08:27 | <rreck> | so DIV is much much better for that exact reason |
| 19:08:38 | <PovAddict> | then add some CSS rule that makes links show underlined when hovered, and problems happen (the title gets underlined when hovered even though it's not a link :P) |
| 19:08:42 | <PovAddict> | the right way would have been |
| 19:08:55 | <PovAddict> | <h1 id="part1">Part 1</h1> |
| 19:09:05 | <PovAddict> | and you can still link to it the same way as before: page.htm#part1 |
| 19:09:33 | <rreck> | but im trying to say something about what is contained inside those tags |
| 19:09:56 | <PovAddict> | I'm just saying how browsers work wrt that |
| 19:10:06 | <rreck> | perfect |
| 19:10:09 | <PovAddict> | in this channel I'm below average in RDF knowledge :) |
| 19:10:24 | <rreck> | i sure know THAT feeling |
| 19:11:03 | <rreck> | well it goes to reason that the anchor refers to a section, the assertions made wrt to the anchor have the same scope |
| 19:11:18 | <PovAddict> | so I don't know if making triples with page.htm#id_of_some_element_in_html_page as object is the way to give information of stuff inside that element |
| 19:11:22 | <PovAddict> | probably is |
| 19:33:23 | <melvster> | Microsoft's Bing overtook Yahoo! as the number two search engine in the United States and worldwide Thursday (4th June) according to data from StatCounter Global Stats. |
| 19:34:00 | <PovAddict> | what's Bing? :P |
| 19:34:20 | <melvster> | bing is not google ;) |
| 19:34:29 | <PovAddict> | ! |
| 19:37:20 | <melvster> | Microsoft's Bing overtook Yahoo! as the number two search engine in the United States and worldwide Thursday (4th June) according to data from StatCounter Global Stats. StatCounter says that Bing grabbed market share from Google. |
| 19:37:25 | <melvster> | sorry |
| 19:37:34 | <melvster> | in the US Bing leapfrogged Yahoo to take second place on 16.28%. Yahoo! has 10.22%. Google still commands the US search engine market with 71.47%. |
| 19:37:43 | <mattl> | surely this is a blip? |
| 19:37:53 | <mattl> | someone should just buy yahoo anyway. |
| 19:38:05 | <mattl> | in a few months, i'll buy them for about $500 |
| 19:38:16 | <PovAddict> | I'll Buy That For A Dollar |
| 19:38:21 | <melvster> | :) i picked them up when they were $9 |
| 19:38:42 | <mattl> | no, the whole company for $500. |
| 19:39:36 | <melvster> | oh! |
| 19:39:51 | <melvster> | they have about 5 billion in cash, so you'd probably make a decent profit :) |
| 19:41:16 | <melvster> | i have to say google were by far and away the best search engine 10 years ago, but have good but not exceptional in the time since, regarding their search engine, maybe it's time the competition caught up |
| 19:41:28 | <melvster> | (been) |
| 19:42:01 | <melvster> | they've innovated in lots of other areas, though |
| 19:42:14 | <PovAddict> | company is "too big"... |
| 19:43:49 | <melvster> | its also hard when your mission is to organize the worlds data, there's a lot of data out there, i think facebook alone take 15 TB into their hadoop system each day |
| 19:45:35 | <melvster> | i think the first one of them to really understand distributed architecture, and semantic markup, and really do it in an open way, will lead the pack, perhaps yahoo is in front in that respect, its hard to say |
| 19:51:25 | <melvster> | but i do actually quite like bing |
| 19:51:46 | <melvster> | i did buy a product from their shopping tab withing a few minutes of using it |
| 19:51:59 | <melvster> | which ive never done with other search engines |
| 20:45:29 | <csarven> | ACTION is still unsure about what makes Bing so special |
| 20:47:23 | <PovAddict> | Bing Is Not Google |
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