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07:33:04<mhausenblas>morning, Web of Data
08:49:22<CaptSolo>morning, Michael of Hausenblas
08:49:23<CaptSolo>:)
08:52:29<libby>heh
09:01:21<mhausenblas>CaptSolo: ha.ha.
09:01:55<mhausenblas>ACTION will deliver full laughter when back in Galway (and kick some asses ;)
09:04:25<CaptSolo>mhausenblas: man, that sounded like a noble name. what could you have against it? ;)
09:05:10<CaptSolo>say hi to people at VoCamp and at WWW
09:05:55<mhausenblas>no worries, CaptSolo - it's just unusual. Austrians and their weird history ;)
09:06:42<mhausenblas>I'm currently actually in Barcelona at the W3C Media Fragments WG F2F, moving over to Madrid tonite
09:16:28<FabGandon>CaptSolo: you meant "Michael von Hausenblas" ? :-P (Fabien, safe in France)
09:17:00<mhausenblas>ACTION slaps FabGandon with 23.000 owl:sameAss
09:17:05<mhausenblas>:D
09:17:16<mhausenblas>ups, a tiny typo ;)
09:17:26<mhausenblas>sameAs, of course ;)
09:27:33<CaptSolo>mhausenblas: oh, w3c media fragments sounds interesting as well. hope to hear more about all that (vocamp, media fragments, www) when you are back in GWY
09:27:59<CaptSolo>mhausenblas: you just suggested a new OWL property, did you not? ;D
09:28:09<mhausenblas>yeah, sure. happy to give a talk or tutorial about it as well
09:28:31<mhausenblas>CaptSolo: yes, implicitly - formal definition is:
09:28:33<CaptSolo>FabGandon: did you not go to VoCamp?
09:29:11<mhausenblas>given two foaf:Person, when their stupidity level is same, they are sameAss ;)
09:29:36<mhausenblas>FabGandon: damn, I thought you're around at WWW, no?
09:30:24<FabGandon>yes I will be there whole week
09:30:34<FabGandon>meant WWW
09:30:38<mhausenblas>ah, cool
09:30:49<mhausenblas>ACTION looking very much fwd seeing you again
09:30:51<FabGandon>couldn't make it for the VoCamp
09:30:59<FabGandon>ACTION me too
09:30:59<mhausenblas>when was it last time? ESWC08?
09:31:09<mhausenblas>or ISWC07, even?
09:31:13<CaptSolo>another cool event which would be good to hear about as it happens is the SocialWebCamp at WWW
09:31:18<digikim>hmm
09:31:30<CaptSolo>http://esw.w3.org/topic/SocialWebCampW3CTrack
09:31:30<mhausenblas>someone here who is there?
09:31:39<CaptSolo>A:|Social Web Camp - W3C Track @ WWW2009
09:31:51<mhausenblas>ACTION fears he won't be able to attend
09:32:02<digikim>M√ľnchen-Helsinki flight has been cancelled (last leg on the trip back from ESWC 2009) -- can they do this? :)
09:32:15<CaptSolo>mhausenblas: it would be great if it were recorded and/or liveblogged
09:32:26<CaptSolo>but that is up to those who will be there
09:32:36<CaptSolo>(and to organisers WRT recording/streaming)
09:32:41<mhausenblas>ACTION got a Romulus meeting in parallel
09:32:53<mhausenblas>but if I'm around I'll happily scribe, here
09:32:58<CaptSolo>mhausenblas: this way we could learn about it even if not there
09:33:21<CaptSolo>mhausenblas: same here - would gladly scribe events that i am at. but i won't be at WWW.
09:33:32<CaptSolo>let's hope someone does
09:33:49<mhausenblas>dunno who organises it, DOM maybe?
09:33:56<CaptSolo>A:will this be recorded / streamed?
09:34:00<FabGandon>ACTION will be at Social Web Camp
09:34:09<mhausenblas>cool, FabGandon
09:34:18<CaptSolo>FabGandon: we count on you :)
09:35:53<CaptSolo>A:looking forward to follow reports on [micro]blogs and irc (a pitty that i can't be there)
09:37:05<mhausenblas>ok, added myself to http://esw.w3.org/topic/SocialWebCampW3CTrack
09:37:16<mhausenblas>tlr: are you organising this event?
09:38:14<tlr>Strictly speaking, maire-claire is organizing it on a high level. I'll be there, as will be Dom, as will be as Harry
09:38:28<mhausenblas>cool, ta, tlr
09:38:51<tlr>ACTION was just trying to get people to put a bit more into the wiki
09:38:57<mhausenblas>sure
09:38:59<tlr>any questions that I could help with?
09:39:07<mhausenblas>hm, lemme see
09:39:52<mhausenblas>I'm co-organising SPOT09 workshop, tlr
09:40:00<mhausenblas>.g SPOT09 ESWC
09:40:01<phenny>mhausenblas: https://grupos.ufrgs.br/pipermail/sbc-l/2009-February/004940.html
09:40:04<mhausenblas>no
09:40:21<tlr>ACTION grumbles. self-signed cet.
09:40:22<mhausenblas>http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/
09:40:24<tlr>ACTION cert
09:41:04<mhausenblas>so, I was wondering if it is appropriate/allowed to do a short motivation/plug for it at the Social Web Camp ... :)
09:41:18<mhausenblas>B:| SPOT09 workshop at ESWC 2009
09:41:49<tlr>I suppose so -- the point of an unconference is that the agenda gets negotiated the day all are there
09:42:27<tlr>why don't you drop a link into the wiki in the "topic suggestions"
09:43:00<mhausenblas>sure, thanks!
09:43:23<tlr>talk to you in Madrid...
09:45:50<mhausenblas>cya then
10:21:23<tobyink>mhausenblas: would owl:sameAss not apply to certain conjoined twins?
10:21:45<tobyink>Or to co-owners of mules?
11:15:52<sellonen>i have a very basic question:
11:15:57<sellonen>I want to call a function written in C from a python script. Even though I need only one function, that function uses other functions written in other files.
11:16:05<sellonen>the question is: is it sufficient to write a simple interface file that describes only the function I want to call, or do I need to define interfaces for the other functions as well?
11:16:42<IvanHerman>sellonen, are you sure you are on the right channel?
11:17:02<IvanHerman>:-)
11:17:11<sellonen>shit
11:17:15<sellonen>:-)
11:17:23<IvanHerman>stuff happens:-)
11:20:53<melvster>wow tpb founders sentenced to jail for linking data
11:27:48<mischat_>melvster: ?
11:29:43<shellac>I think it's the nature of the data, not the act
11:30:12<shellac>but pretty brutal sentence nonetheless
11:33:07<leobard>hi guys, which version of virtuoso is the one I should try out if I want to use virtuoso for a research project? we will have a lot of data, so I thought Enterprise universal server 5.0.x - what did you use?
11:43:58<PvK>leobard: you could start with virtuoso opensource release 5.0.10
11:44:57<leobard>PvK: thx
11:45:45<PvK>welcome. vos 5.0.11 will be released early next week
11:56:31<CaptSolo>shellac, melvster: plus the were ordered to pay 3.6 million USD to entertainment companies
11:56:37<CaptSolo>s/the/they
11:59:34<CaptSolo>tlr: any chance that SocWebCamp will be recorded or streamed online?
11:59:52<tlr>no idea
11:59:57<CaptSolo>tobyink: that's a nice one re co-owners of mules :D
12:00:10<CaptSolo>would be great if it were, of course
12:05:05<melvster>is the implication all links must be vetted, to avoid possible litigation?
12:06:23<CaptSolo>melvster: re TPB? no idea. nothing like that has been reported so far.
12:06:59<melvster>mischat: http://uk.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUKSAT00620220090417
12:07:22<mischat_>melvster: thanks
12:07:52<melvster>the thing is that tpb was not hosting any material, they were a search engine
12:12:51<shellac>in the US, and probably elsewhere, linking to violating material is a problem. That's certainly the advice wikipedia was given
12:14:55<shellac>however tpb wasn't linking directly to infringing material, so it wasn't so straightforward
12:18:40<melvster>from /. : From tfa, they were found guilty for "providing a website with ... sophisticated search functions, simple download and storage capabilities, and through the tracker linked to the website." Brin and Page and the others at Google better not go to sweden.
12:23:34<melvster>ahhh, it's only a swedish law ...
12:24:01<melvster>and may get appealed, so doesnt affect linking data in general, apart from the chilling effect
12:26:26<tobyink>Another possible use for owl:sameAss - could be used as an rdfs:Class rather than an rdf:Property, applied to all letters which are the same as lower-case S.
12:59:50<bblfish>I am having a problem with cwm
13:00:04<bblfish>I cannot get log:conjunction to work when using named graphs
13:00:15<bblfish>here is the test http://pastebin.com/f66fdf0c3
13:03:47<bblfish>I just updated that pastebin with the new_owl_rules.n3
13:04:04<bblfish>the output is longer, but I still don't get the correct result
13:42:54<bblfish>so this does not seem to give the results in cwm
13:42:55<bblfish>{ ( :g :h ) log:conjunction ?F } => { :rest :is ?F } .
13:43:08<bblfish>where :g and :h are owl:sameAs graphs .
16:34:03<tobyink>This is the kind of UI I'm thinking of for entering user locations for libre.fm - http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/location-choice/example.html - comments?
17:10:38<Anchakor>wow, doing bussines on creating computing grid by java applets in hidden iframe on websites... interesting... http://www.pluraprocessing.com/webmasters.html
17:10:59<PovAddict>interesting indeed
17:11:59<PovAddict>but Java has a long startup time...
17:12:13<PovAddict>how does it keep state while the user changes between pages? the applet would be restarted when the page changes
17:12:57<Anchakor>I guess sooner or later, things like noscript will move into mainstream use (with enough automation so common folks can use it)
17:12:58<PovAddict>lol, patent-pending technology? I saw a proof-of-concept made in Flash two years ago
17:13:24<PovAddict>and I did a test once in Javascript
17:13:33<PovAddict>(a JS raytracer, rendering a single pixel per page load)
17:13:38<PovAddict>and THEY will get a patent?
17:15:15<PovAddict>their plugin detection doesn't seem to work, Linux Firefox not getting the Java applet
19:42:08<sbp>hello. I found this channel via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jan/0130 and... :-)
19:42:20<sbp>ACTION is reading http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-03-24.html#T12-49-35
19:44:38<sbp>if there's anybody around who's following the 303 vs. Relations Registry debate, perhaps they'd like to comment on whether an RDF property can resolve to a 404, and whether an *inconsistent* array of results for link relations would be suitable for the community
19:44:55<sbp>(results as in response codes)
19:45:29<sbp>feel free to dump stuff in the logs, I'll grep at some point
20:23:56<PovAddict>http://dbooth.org/2007/splitting/
20:24:01<PovAddict>C:|Splitting Identities in Semantic Web Architecture
20:24:04<PovAddict>quite interesting...
20:39:46<PovAddict>http://www.w3.org/2002/07/15-tag-summary#L3330 also interesting but sometimes hard to wrap my head around it
21:17:06<PovAddict>it's interesting that the thing vs description-of-a-thing issue was discussed for five years before getting to the solution of using 303 See Other
21:18:34<Shepard>with several comebacks, yeah :)
21:20:23<PovAddict>and now that I started reading about it, it took me a while to wrap my head around the concept
21:20:33<PovAddict>and the purpose of sites like thing-described-by.org
21:20:36<PovAddict>now I think I get it
21:20:40<Shepard>want to see my personal highlights?
21:20:58<PovAddict>'house' is the house, which cannot be transferred through a computer network
21:21:11<PovAddict>(it could be moved if you call Mega Movers, but that's irrelevant)
21:21:20<PovAddict>'house.html' describes the house
21:21:45<PovAddict>if you deference /house, you get a 303-redirect to /house.html, which is a deferencable resource
21:21:53<PovAddict>DELETE /house.html deletes the document from the server, DELETE /house destroys the physical house \o/
21:22:15<Shepard>the almighty webserver
21:24:20<PovAddict>finally, HTTP gives us a way to properly implement Unix xkill, since we can have URIs representing physical things
21:24:35<PovAddict>http://linux.about.com/od/funnymanpages/a/funman_xkill.htm
21:24:45<PovAddict>curse you dc_swig_
21:25:03<PovAddict>might as well give it some metadata
21:25:09<PovAddict>E:|xkill - extended kill - kill processes or users
23:34:36<PovAddict>http://sw.opencyc.org/

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