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| 07:33:04 | <mhausenblas> | morning, Web of Data |
| 08:49:22 | <CaptSolo> | morning, Michael of Hausenblas |
| 08:49:23 | <CaptSolo> | :) |
| 08:52:29 | <libby> | heh |
| 09:01:21 | <mhausenblas> | CaptSolo: ha.ha. |
| 09:01:55 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION will deliver full laughter when back in Galway (and kick some asses ;) |
| 09:04:25 | <CaptSolo> | mhausenblas: man, that sounded like a noble name. what could you have against it? ;) |
| 09:05:10 | <CaptSolo> | say hi to people at VoCamp and at WWW |
| 09:05:55 | <mhausenblas> | no worries, CaptSolo - it's just unusual. Austrians and their weird history ;) |
| 09:06:42 | <mhausenblas> | I'm currently actually in Barcelona at the W3C Media Fragments WG F2F, moving over to Madrid tonite |
| 09:16:28 | <FabGandon> | CaptSolo: you meant "Michael von Hausenblas" ? :-P (Fabien, safe in France) |
| 09:17:00 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION slaps FabGandon with 23.000 owl:sameAss |
| 09:17:05 | <mhausenblas> | :D |
| 09:17:16 | <mhausenblas> | ups, a tiny typo ;) |
| 09:17:26 | <mhausenblas> | sameAs, of course ;) |
| 09:27:33 | <CaptSolo> | mhausenblas: oh, w3c media fragments sounds interesting as well. hope to hear more about all that (vocamp, media fragments, www) when you are back in GWY |
| 09:27:59 | <CaptSolo> | mhausenblas: you just suggested a new OWL property, did you not? ;D |
| 09:28:09 | <mhausenblas> | yeah, sure. happy to give a talk or tutorial about it as well |
| 09:28:31 | <mhausenblas> | CaptSolo: yes, implicitly - formal definition is: |
| 09:28:33 | <CaptSolo> | FabGandon: did you not go to VoCamp? |
| 09:29:11 | <mhausenblas> | given two foaf:Person, when their stupidity level is same, they are sameAss ;) |
| 09:29:36 | <mhausenblas> | FabGandon: damn, I thought you're around at WWW, no? |
| 09:30:24 | <FabGandon> | yes I will be there whole week |
| 09:30:34 | <FabGandon> | meant WWW |
| 09:30:38 | <mhausenblas> | ah, cool |
| 09:30:49 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION looking very much fwd seeing you again |
| 09:30:51 | <FabGandon> | couldn't make it for the VoCamp |
| 09:30:59 | <FabGandon> | ACTION me too |
| 09:30:59 | <mhausenblas> | when was it last time? ESWC08? |
| 09:31:09 | <mhausenblas> | or ISWC07, even? |
| 09:31:13 | <CaptSolo> | another cool event which would be good to hear about as it happens is the SocialWebCamp at WWW |
| 09:31:18 | <digikim> | hmm |
| 09:31:30 | <CaptSolo> | http://esw.w3.org/topic/SocialWebCampW3CTrack |
| 09:31:30 | <mhausenblas> | someone here who is there? |
| 09:31:39 | <CaptSolo> | A:|Social Web Camp - W3C Track @ WWW2009 |
| 09:31:51 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION fears he won't be able to attend |
| 09:32:02 | <digikim> | München-Helsinki flight has been cancelled (last leg on the trip back from ESWC 2009) -- can they do this? :) |
| 09:32:15 | <CaptSolo> | mhausenblas: it would be great if it were recorded and/or liveblogged |
| 09:32:26 | <CaptSolo> | but that is up to those who will be there |
| 09:32:36 | <CaptSolo> | (and to organisers WRT recording/streaming) |
| 09:32:41 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION got a Romulus meeting in parallel |
| 09:32:53 | <mhausenblas> | but if I'm around I'll happily scribe, here |
| 09:32:58 | <CaptSolo> | mhausenblas: this way we could learn about it even if not there |
| 09:33:21 | <CaptSolo> | mhausenblas: same here - would gladly scribe events that i am at. but i won't be at WWW. |
| 09:33:32 | <CaptSolo> | let's hope someone does |
| 09:33:49 | <mhausenblas> | dunno who organises it, DOM maybe? |
| 09:33:56 | <CaptSolo> | A:will this be recorded / streamed? |
| 09:34:00 | <FabGandon> | ACTION will be at Social Web Camp |
| 09:34:09 | <mhausenblas> | cool, FabGandon |
| 09:34:18 | <CaptSolo> | FabGandon: we count on you :) |
| 09:35:53 | <CaptSolo> | A:looking forward to follow reports on [micro]blogs and irc (a pitty that i can't be there) |
| 09:37:05 | <mhausenblas> | ok, added myself to http://esw.w3.org/topic/SocialWebCampW3CTrack |
| 09:37:16 | <mhausenblas> | tlr: are you organising this event? |
| 09:38:14 | <tlr> | Strictly speaking, maire-claire is organizing it on a high level. I'll be there, as will be Dom, as will be as Harry |
| 09:38:28 | <mhausenblas> | cool, ta, tlr |
| 09:38:51 | <tlr> | ACTION was just trying to get people to put a bit more into the wiki |
| 09:38:57 | <mhausenblas> | sure |
| 09:38:59 | <tlr> | any questions that I could help with? |
| 09:39:07 | <mhausenblas> | hm, lemme see |
| 09:39:52 | <mhausenblas> | I'm co-organising SPOT09 workshop, tlr |
| 09:40:00 | <mhausenblas> | .g SPOT09 ESWC |
| 09:40:01 | <phenny> | mhausenblas: https://grupos.ufrgs.br/pipermail/sbc-l/2009-February/004940.html |
| 09:40:04 | <mhausenblas> | no |
| 09:40:21 | <tlr> | ACTION grumbles. self-signed cet. |
| 09:40:22 | <mhausenblas> | http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/ |
| 09:40:24 | <tlr> | ACTION cert |
| 09:41:04 | <mhausenblas> | so, I was wondering if it is appropriate/allowed to do a short motivation/plug for it at the Social Web Camp ... :) |
| 09:41:18 | <mhausenblas> | B:| SPOT09 workshop at ESWC 2009 |
| 09:41:49 | <tlr> | I suppose so -- the point of an unconference is that the agenda gets negotiated the day all are there |
| 09:42:27 | <tlr> | why don't you drop a link into the wiki in the "topic suggestions" |
| 09:43:00 | <mhausenblas> | sure, thanks! |
| 09:43:23 | <tlr> | talk to you in Madrid... |
| 09:45:50 | <mhausenblas> | cya then |
| 10:21:23 | <tobyink> | mhausenblas: would owl:sameAss not apply to certain conjoined twins? |
| 10:21:45 | <tobyink> | Or to co-owners of mules? |
| 11:15:52 | <sellonen> | i have a very basic question: |
| 11:15:57 | <sellonen> | I want to call a function written in C from a python script. Even though I need only one function, that function uses other functions written in other files. |
| 11:16:05 | <sellonen> | the question is: is it sufficient to write a simple interface file that describes only the function I want to call, or do I need to define interfaces for the other functions as well? |
| 11:16:42 | <IvanHerman> | sellonen, are you sure you are on the right channel? |
| 11:17:02 | <IvanHerman> | :-) |
| 11:17:11 | <sellonen> | shit |
| 11:17:15 | <sellonen> | :-) |
| 11:17:23 | <IvanHerman> | stuff happens:-) |
| 11:20:53 | <melvster> | wow tpb founders sentenced to jail for linking data |
| 11:27:48 | <mischat_> | melvster: ? |
| 11:29:43 | <shellac> | I think it's the nature of the data, not the act |
| 11:30:12 | <shellac> | but pretty brutal sentence nonetheless |
| 11:33:07 | <leobard> | hi guys, which version of virtuoso is the one I should try out if I want to use virtuoso for a research project? we will have a lot of data, so I thought Enterprise universal server 5.0.x - what did you use? |
| 11:43:58 | <PvK> | leobard: you could start with virtuoso opensource release 5.0.10 |
| 11:44:57 | <leobard> | PvK: thx |
| 11:45:45 | <PvK> | welcome. vos 5.0.11 will be released early next week |
| 11:56:31 | <CaptSolo> | shellac, melvster: plus the were ordered to pay 3.6 million USD to entertainment companies |
| 11:56:37 | <CaptSolo> | s/the/they |
| 11:59:34 | <CaptSolo> | tlr: any chance that SocWebCamp will be recorded or streamed online? |
| 11:59:52 | <tlr> | no idea |
| 11:59:57 | <CaptSolo> | tobyink: that's a nice one re co-owners of mules :D |
| 12:00:10 | <CaptSolo> | would be great if it were, of course |
| 12:05:05 | <melvster> | is the implication all links must be vetted, to avoid possible litigation? |
| 12:06:23 | <CaptSolo> | melvster: re TPB? no idea. nothing like that has been reported so far. |
| 12:06:59 | <melvster> | mischat: http://uk.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUKSAT00620220090417 |
| 12:07:22 | <mischat_> | melvster: thanks |
| 12:07:52 | <melvster> | the thing is that tpb was not hosting any material, they were a search engine |
| 12:12:51 | <shellac> | in the US, and probably elsewhere, linking to violating material is a problem. That's certainly the advice wikipedia was given |
| 12:14:55 | <shellac> | however tpb wasn't linking directly to infringing material, so it wasn't so straightforward |
| 12:18:40 | <melvster> | from /. : From tfa, they were found guilty for "providing a website with ... sophisticated search functions, simple download and storage capabilities, and through the tracker linked to the website." Brin and Page and the others at Google better not go to sweden. |
| 12:23:34 | <melvster> | ahhh, it's only a swedish law ... |
| 12:24:01 | <melvster> | and may get appealed, so doesnt affect linking data in general, apart from the chilling effect |
| 12:26:26 | <tobyink> | Another possible use for owl:sameAss - could be used as an rdfs:Class rather than an rdf:Property, applied to all letters which are the same as lower-case S. |
| 12:59:50 | <bblfish> | I am having a problem with cwm |
| 13:00:04 | <bblfish> | I cannot get log:conjunction to work when using named graphs |
| 13:00:15 | <bblfish> | here is the test http://pastebin.com/f66fdf0c3 |
| 13:03:47 | <bblfish> | I just updated that pastebin with the new_owl_rules.n3 |
| 13:04:04 | <bblfish> | the output is longer, but I still don't get the correct result |
| 13:42:54 | <bblfish> | so this does not seem to give the results in cwm |
| 13:42:55 | <bblfish> | { ( :g :h ) log:conjunction ?F } => { :rest :is ?F } . |
| 13:43:08 | <bblfish> | where :g and :h are owl:sameAs graphs . |
| 16:34:03 | <tobyink> | This is the kind of UI I'm thinking of for entering user locations for libre.fm - http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/location-choice/example.html - comments? |
| 17:10:38 | <Anchakor> | wow, doing bussines on creating computing grid by java applets in hidden iframe on websites... interesting... http://www.pluraprocessing.com/webmasters.html |
| 17:10:59 | <PovAddict> | interesting indeed |
| 17:11:59 | <PovAddict> | but Java has a long startup time... |
| 17:12:13 | <PovAddict> | how does it keep state while the user changes between pages? the applet would be restarted when the page changes |
| 17:12:57 | <Anchakor> | I guess sooner or later, things like noscript will move into mainstream use (with enough automation so common folks can use it) |
| 17:12:58 | <PovAddict> | lol, patent-pending technology? I saw a proof-of-concept made in Flash two years ago |
| 17:13:24 | <PovAddict> | and I did a test once in Javascript |
| 17:13:33 | <PovAddict> | (a JS raytracer, rendering a single pixel per page load) |
| 17:13:38 | <PovAddict> | and THEY will get a patent? |
| 17:15:15 | <PovAddict> | their plugin detection doesn't seem to work, Linux Firefox not getting the Java applet |
| 19:42:08 | <sbp> | hello. I found this channel via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jan/0130 and... :-) |
| 19:42:20 | <sbp> | ACTION is reading http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-03-24.html#T12-49-35 |
| 19:44:38 | <sbp> | if there's anybody around who's following the 303 vs. Relations Registry debate, perhaps they'd like to comment on whether an RDF property can resolve to a 404, and whether an *inconsistent* array of results for link relations would be suitable for the community |
| 19:44:55 | <sbp> | (results as in response codes) |
| 19:45:29 | <sbp> | feel free to dump stuff in the logs, I'll grep at some point |
| 20:23:56 | <PovAddict> | http://dbooth.org/2007/splitting/ |
| 20:24:01 | <PovAddict> | C:|Splitting Identities in Semantic Web Architecture |
| 20:24:04 | <PovAddict> | quite interesting... |
| 20:39:46 | <PovAddict> | http://www.w3.org/2002/07/15-tag-summary#L3330 also interesting but sometimes hard to wrap my head around it |
| 21:17:06 | <PovAddict> | it's interesting that the thing vs description-of-a-thing issue was discussed for five years before getting to the solution of using 303 See Other |
| 21:18:34 | <Shepard> | with several comebacks, yeah :) |
| 21:20:23 | <PovAddict> | and now that I started reading about it, it took me a while to wrap my head around the concept |
| 21:20:33 | <PovAddict> | and the purpose of sites like thing-described-by.org |
| 21:20:36 | <PovAddict> | now I think I get it |
| 21:20:40 | <Shepard> | want to see my personal highlights? |
| 21:20:58 | <PovAddict> | 'house' is the house, which cannot be transferred through a computer network |
| 21:21:11 | <PovAddict> | (it could be moved if you call Mega Movers, but that's irrelevant) |
| 21:21:20 | <PovAddict> | 'house.html' describes the house |
| 21:21:45 | <PovAddict> | if you deference /house, you get a 303-redirect to /house.html, which is a deferencable resource |
| 21:21:53 | <PovAddict> | DELETE /house.html deletes the document from the server, DELETE /house destroys the physical house \o/ |
| 21:22:15 | <Shepard> | the almighty webserver |
| 21:24:20 | <PovAddict> | finally, HTTP gives us a way to properly implement Unix xkill, since we can have URIs representing physical things |
| 21:24:35 | <PovAddict> | http://linux.about.com/od/funnymanpages/a/funman_xkill.htm |
| 21:24:45 | <PovAddict> | curse you dc_swig_ |
| 21:25:03 | <PovAddict> | might as well give it some metadata |
| 21:25:09 | <PovAddict> | E:|xkill - extended kill - kill processes or users |
| 23:34:36 | <PovAddict> | http://sw.opencyc.org/ |
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