Experimental IRC log swig-2008-08-14

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02:05:52<earle>http://getsatisfaction.com/vidoop/topics/please_reconsider_the_use_of_xrds_xri
02:06:29<earle>A:|Asking Vidoop to reconsider using XRDS/XRI in their "Email to ID" resolver service
02:06:48<earle>A:And, by extension, http://eaut.org/
02:25:13<dorian>waat
02:25:58<dorian>what is up with these neologisms that sound like euphemisms for bodily functions
02:26:17<dorian>and/or company names
02:28:02<dorian>it's like finding a six-character-or-less pronounceable domain name takes precedence over not sounding like playground humour
05:29:42<SSnake86>Hi, can someone help me, I am having problems using swig with python, after typing swig -python example.i I type gcc -c example.c example_wrap.c \-I/usr/include/python2.5 but I always get an error on example_wrap.c saying example_wrap.c:118:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory
05:33:00<drewp>see topic
05:33:17<drewp>but also i bet you're missing a package named something like python-dev
05:33:28<SSnake86>ok thank you
10:08:47<bblfish>btw, anyone know of a J2EE openid component that would use an rdf store backend?
10:08:47<phenny>bblfish: 10 Aug 08:09Z <danja> tell bblfish nice sommer intro! btw, any progress on address book?
10:08:49<phenny>bblfish: 10 Aug 08:50Z <danja> tell bblfish nice sommer intro! btw, any progress on address book?
10:11:45<bblfish>phenny, tell danja that I am working on the AddressBook. It now does addresses (see http://www.flickr.com/photos/bblfish/2734990025/ ). I just need to tie things back up so that they get written to DB, then improove publish functionality
10:11:45<phenny>bblfish: I'll pass that on when danja is around.
11:40:05<aharth>hello, is vcard/rdf still maintained? i get errors when i try to parse http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0
13:59:16<mhausenblas>ping aharth
13:59:49<mhausenblas>do you still have problems with http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0 ?
14:00:43<mhausenblas>seems ok with me ...
14:00:44<mhausenblas>curl -I http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0
14:00:44<mhausenblas>HTTP/1.1 200 OK
14:01:36<kjetilkWork>the vcard ontologies has been in a somewhat sorry state I think...
14:01:52<kjetilkWork>ACTION wonders if the Nepomuk ontologies are better....
14:02:03<kjetilkWork>hmmm, no gromgull
14:02:27<kjetilkWork>http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/nco/
14:02:41<kjetilkWork>B:|NEPOMUK Contact Ontology
14:02:50<aharth>hi mhausenblas
14:03:21<aharth>yep still problems: rapper "http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0"
14:03:27<aharth>rapper: Error - URI http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0:90 - Using an element 'RDF' without a namespace is forbidden.
14:03:56<mhausenblas>right. just saw what you mean
14:03:58<mhausenblas>:)
14:04:06<aharth>there's also the pim ontology: http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact
14:04:36<aharth>but not sure which one is the best to use/most widely used for snail mail
14:04:59<mhausenblas>ACTION just ran it through http://www.w3.org/RDF/Validator/ and seems there are some deprected constructs in there
14:05:04<aharth>mhausenblas: yep parsing error is nothing you'd expect
14:05:15<mhausenblas>:)
14:05:31<kjetilkWork>aharth, and this: http://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns
14:05:53<aharth>ah yep works: rapper: Parsing returned 311 triples
14:06:05<kjetilkWork>problem is, there has never been consensus around these, and the goals have been different
14:06:51<kjetilkWork>the latter was mainly to achieve vcard/hcard/rdf-vcard roundtrip
14:07:12<mhausenblas>welll looking at http://pingthesemanticweb.com/stats/namespaces.php doesn't reveal too much either ;)
14:07:13<kjetilkWork>but it turned out that representing a name was non-trivial, and that hcard was unable to represent a lot of stuff
14:07:34<kjetilkWork>so, some people wanted a more elaborate schema for names
14:07:43<kjetilkWork>and that never happened, I think
14:08:16<aharth>i've tried to import addresses in thunderbird, and ldif worked better than vcard anyway
14:08:17<mhausenblas>aharth, would you care posting this to sw@w3 ... that might trigger the right people ...
14:08:54<aharth>i just wanted to supplement foaf with snail mail addresses
14:09:07<aharth>mhausenblas: yep i can do that
14:09:58<aharth>thanks for your comments!
14:10:29<kjetilkWork>aharth, I would take a serious look at the NEPOMUK Contact Ontology I posted above too
14:11:23<aharth>kjetilkWork: from a cursory look they define stuff such as last name, which is suboptimal given the great penetration of foaf these days
14:11:46<mhausenblas>one last comment: http://schemas.talis.com/2005/address/schema
14:12:07<mhausenblas>but dunno how widely deployed this one is :)
14:12:29<kjetilkWork>ACTION nods
14:13:03<aharth>ah great! too many choices :/ maybe i should define my own *duck*
14:13:05<kjetilkWork>this is a rather important thing to have a vocabulary for, we should have some kind of consensus here...
14:13:07<kjetilkWork>hehe
14:13:44<mhausenblas>no! even better: you do yours, kjetilkWork does one, now and /me has also launched his editor ... 3... 2 ...1 GO!
14:13:55<mhausenblas>;)
14:14:05<mhausenblas>ACTION runs off before he gets slaped
14:14:19<aharth>new olympic discipline: ontology creation! :)
14:14:58<kjetilkWork>ACTION brings out a basking shark, but can't see mhausenblas
14:15:30<kjetilkWork>:-)
14:15:39<mhausenblas>or: ontology procrastination ... you have to look as long as you can for approriate ontologies
14:15:42<mhausenblas>and off again
14:15:57<mhausenblas>... the one who first finds one has lost
14:16:08<kjetilkWork>;-D
14:17:25<mhausenblas>kjetilkWork have you already subscribed to http://lists.vocamp.org/private.cgi/discuss-vocamp.org/ ?
14:17:33<mhausenblas>if not: why not?
14:17:42<mhausenblas>if so: where is your intro? :))
14:18:57<kjetilkWork>:-)
14:19:21<kjetilkWork>ACTION throws NoTimeException
14:19:59<mhausenblas>ACTION catches NoTimeException and System.out.println("go for it");
14:20:45<mhausenblas>ACTION stops fooling around now and starts to prepare for RDFa telecon ... see ya
14:20:54<kjetilkWork>see ya
15:05:45<timbl>q+
15:14:06<earle>Hmm, I've moved up to top of the VoCamp waiting list.
15:31:05<s-mon>ack timbl
18:36:03<tommorris>((sorry for sending a spammy) NOTICE:) I am going to be quasi-offline for a few days at RailsCamp UK. If anyone has any bug reports, feature requests, test cases or code they wish to contribute to Rena, please do it ASAP so I can collaborate with folks on making it better.
19:33:21<kasei>bengee's old sparql clipboard demo seems to be offline. does anyone know if it or something like it exists elsewhere?
20:48:50<earle>ACTION fires a tractor beam at a conversation in #foaf
20:49:14<tommorris>hey #swig - me and earle were in the middle of discussing how XRDS may end up not failing now that it's shedding it's XRI trappings
20:49:57<earle>http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/foaf/2008-08-14.html
20:50:28<earle>C:|Importing a conversation from #foaf to #swig about XRDS shedding XRI, OpenID and the repercussions thereof
20:50:37<earle>hmm, poorly phrased
20:50:49<tommorris>The principle outlined for XRDS-Simple - "The protocol I am writing tries to solve a *very* simple use case: given a resource URI, it provides a way to find out the "type" of this URI and other related URIs and the "type" of their relationship" - sounds very much like something that judicious use of RDF solves already
20:51:08<earle>C:|Importing a conversation from #foaf to #swig about XRDS shedding XRI, and the effect on OpenID - plus should OpenID drop XRDS altogether?
20:52:09<tommorris>C: Do feel free to grab yourself an open source OpenID library, strip all the XRI/XRDS stuff out of it and release your modifications. I may have a stab at Ruby, but we'd need to do the same for Python, Java, PHP, Perl etc.
20:53:23<tommorris>C: That said, I think there should be some way that OpenID can work without being tied to HTML. That's a half-baked thought, so ignore it
20:54:29<tommorris>C: The XR[.+] stack is a route to madness though and one we need to steer clear of.
20:58:53<earle>C:Related: [http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50#iddiv2139098016|somewhat old W3C finding about XRI vs URI].
21:00:05<earle>A:A link in one of the comments shows that [http://groups.google.com/group/xrds-simple/browse_thread/thread/54cc3aebb40d315c|XRDS-Simple will probably be moving away from XRI].
21:05:39<tommorris>http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1009005
21:05:49<tommorris>D: Freebase meetup in London on Wednesday
21:05:57<tommorris>D:|Freebase meetup in London on Wednesday
21:06:55<tommorris>D1:If you are in London on Wednesday (2008-08-20), stop by the Yorkshire Grey pub, 29-33 Greys Inn Road, Holborn, to chat about Freebase and related topics.

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