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| 02:05:52 | <earle> | http://getsatisfaction.com/vidoop/topics/please_reconsider_the_use_of_xrds_xri |
| 02:06:29 | <earle> | A:|Asking Vidoop to reconsider using XRDS/XRI in their "Email to ID" resolver service |
| 02:06:48 | <earle> | A:And, by extension, http://eaut.org/ |
| 02:25:13 | <dorian> | waat |
| 02:25:58 | <dorian> | what is up with these neologisms that sound like euphemisms for bodily functions |
| 02:26:17 | <dorian> | and/or company names |
| 02:28:02 | <dorian> | it's like finding a six-character-or-less pronounceable domain name takes precedence over not sounding like playground humour |
| 05:29:42 | <SSnake86> | Hi, can someone help me, I am having problems using swig with python, after typing swig -python example.i I type gcc -c example.c example_wrap.c \-I/usr/include/python2.5 but I always get an error on example_wrap.c saying example_wrap.c:118:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory |
| 05:33:00 | <drewp> | see topic |
| 05:33:17 | <drewp> | but also i bet you're missing a package named something like python-dev |
| 05:33:28 | <SSnake86> | ok thank you |
| 10:08:47 | <bblfish> | btw, anyone know of a J2EE openid component that would use an rdf store backend? |
| 10:08:47 | <phenny> | bblfish: 10 Aug 08:09Z <danja> tell bblfish nice sommer intro! btw, any progress on address book? |
| 10:08:49 | <phenny> | bblfish: 10 Aug 08:50Z <danja> tell bblfish nice sommer intro! btw, any progress on address book? |
| 10:11:45 | <bblfish> | phenny, tell danja that I am working on the AddressBook. It now does addresses (see http://www.flickr.com/photos/bblfish/2734990025/ ). I just need to tie things back up so that they get written to DB, then improove publish functionality |
| 10:11:45 | <phenny> | bblfish: I'll pass that on when danja is around. |
| 11:40:05 | <aharth> | hello, is vcard/rdf still maintained? i get errors when i try to parse http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0 |
| 13:59:16 | <mhausenblas> | ping aharth |
| 13:59:49 | <mhausenblas> | do you still have problems with http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0 ? |
| 14:00:43 | <mhausenblas> | seems ok with me ... |
| 14:00:44 | <mhausenblas> | curl -I http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0 |
| 14:00:44 | <mhausenblas> | HTTP/1.1 200 OK |
| 14:01:36 | <kjetilkWork> | the vcard ontologies has been in a somewhat sorry state I think... |
| 14:01:52 | <kjetilkWork> | ACTION wonders if the Nepomuk ontologies are better.... |
| 14:02:03 | <kjetilkWork> | hmmm, no gromgull |
| 14:02:27 | <kjetilkWork> | http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/nco/ |
| 14:02:41 | <kjetilkWork> | B:|NEPOMUK Contact Ontology |
| 14:02:50 | <aharth> | hi mhausenblas |
| 14:03:21 | <aharth> | yep still problems: rapper "http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0" |
| 14:03:27 | <aharth> | rapper: Error - URI http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0:90 - Using an element 'RDF' without a namespace is forbidden. |
| 14:03:56 | <mhausenblas> | right. just saw what you mean |
| 14:03:58 | <mhausenblas> | :) |
| 14:04:06 | <aharth> | there's also the pim ontology: http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact |
| 14:04:36 | <aharth> | but not sure which one is the best to use/most widely used for snail mail |
| 14:04:59 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION just ran it through http://www.w3.org/RDF/Validator/ and seems there are some deprected constructs in there |
| 14:05:04 | <aharth> | mhausenblas: yep parsing error is nothing you'd expect |
| 14:05:15 | <mhausenblas> | :) |
| 14:05:31 | <kjetilkWork> | aharth, and this: http://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns |
| 14:05:53 | <aharth> | ah yep works: rapper: Parsing returned 311 triples |
| 14:06:05 | <kjetilkWork> | problem is, there has never been consensus around these, and the goals have been different |
| 14:06:51 | <kjetilkWork> | the latter was mainly to achieve vcard/hcard/rdf-vcard roundtrip |
| 14:07:12 | <mhausenblas> | welll looking at http://pingthesemanticweb.com/stats/namespaces.php doesn't reveal too much either ;) |
| 14:07:13 | <kjetilkWork> | but it turned out that representing a name was non-trivial, and that hcard was unable to represent a lot of stuff |
| 14:07:34 | <kjetilkWork> | so, some people wanted a more elaborate schema for names |
| 14:07:43 | <kjetilkWork> | and that never happened, I think |
| 14:08:16 | <aharth> | i've tried to import addresses in thunderbird, and ldif worked better than vcard anyway |
| 14:08:17 | <mhausenblas> | aharth, would you care posting this to sw@w3 ... that might trigger the right people ... |
| 14:08:54 | <aharth> | i just wanted to supplement foaf with snail mail addresses |
| 14:09:07 | <aharth> | mhausenblas: yep i can do that |
| 14:09:58 | <aharth> | thanks for your comments! |
| 14:10:29 | <kjetilkWork> | aharth, I would take a serious look at the NEPOMUK Contact Ontology I posted above too |
| 14:11:23 | <aharth> | kjetilkWork: from a cursory look they define stuff such as last name, which is suboptimal given the great penetration of foaf these days |
| 14:11:46 | <mhausenblas> | one last comment: http://schemas.talis.com/2005/address/schema |
| 14:12:07 | <mhausenblas> | but dunno how widely deployed this one is :) |
| 14:12:29 | <kjetilkWork> | ACTION nods |
| 14:13:03 | <aharth> | ah great! too many choices :/ maybe i should define my own *duck* |
| 14:13:05 | <kjetilkWork> | this is a rather important thing to have a vocabulary for, we should have some kind of consensus here... |
| 14:13:07 | <kjetilkWork> | hehe |
| 14:13:44 | <mhausenblas> | no! even better: you do yours, kjetilkWork does one, now and /me has also launched his editor ... 3... 2 ...1 GO! |
| 14:13:55 | <mhausenblas> | ;) |
| 14:14:05 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION runs off before he gets slaped |
| 14:14:19 | <aharth> | new olympic discipline: ontology creation! :) |
| 14:14:58 | <kjetilkWork> | ACTION brings out a basking shark, but can't see mhausenblas |
| 14:15:30 | <kjetilkWork> | :-) |
| 14:15:39 | <mhausenblas> | or: ontology procrastination ... you have to look as long as you can for approriate ontologies |
| 14:15:42 | <mhausenblas> | and off again |
| 14:15:57 | <mhausenblas> | ... the one who first finds one has lost |
| 14:16:08 | <kjetilkWork> | ;-D |
| 14:17:25 | <mhausenblas> | kjetilkWork have you already subscribed to http://lists.vocamp.org/private.cgi/discuss-vocamp.org/ ? |
| 14:17:33 | <mhausenblas> | if not: why not? |
| 14:17:42 | <mhausenblas> | if so: where is your intro? :)) |
| 14:18:57 | <kjetilkWork> | :-) |
| 14:19:21 | <kjetilkWork> | ACTION throws NoTimeException |
| 14:19:59 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION catches NoTimeException and System.out.println("go for it"); |
| 14:20:45 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION stops fooling around now and starts to prepare for RDFa telecon ... see ya |
| 14:20:54 | <kjetilkWork> | see ya |
| 15:05:45 | <timbl> | q+ |
| 15:14:06 | <earle> | Hmm, I've moved up to top of the VoCamp waiting list. |
| 15:31:05 | <s-mon> | ack timbl |
| 18:36:03 | <tommorris> | ((sorry for sending a spammy) NOTICE:) I am going to be quasi-offline for a few days at RailsCamp UK. If anyone has any bug reports, feature requests, test cases or code they wish to contribute to Rena, please do it ASAP so I can collaborate with folks on making it better. |
| 19:33:21 | <kasei> | bengee's old sparql clipboard demo seems to be offline. does anyone know if it or something like it exists elsewhere? |
| 20:48:50 | <earle> | ACTION fires a tractor beam at a conversation in #foaf |
| 20:49:14 | <tommorris> | hey #swig - me and earle were in the middle of discussing how XRDS may end up not failing now that it's shedding it's XRI trappings |
| 20:49:57 | <earle> | http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/foaf/2008-08-14.html |
| 20:50:28 | <earle> | C:|Importing a conversation from #foaf to #swig about XRDS shedding XRI, OpenID and the repercussions thereof |
| 20:50:37 | <earle> | hmm, poorly phrased |
| 20:50:49 | <tommorris> | The principle outlined for XRDS-Simple - "The protocol I am writing tries to solve a *very* simple use case: given a resource URI, it provides a way to find out the "type" of this URI and other related URIs and the "type" of their relationship" - sounds very much like something that judicious use of RDF solves already |
| 20:51:08 | <earle> | C:|Importing a conversation from #foaf to #swig about XRDS shedding XRI, and the effect on OpenID - plus should OpenID drop XRDS altogether? |
| 20:52:09 | <tommorris> | C: Do feel free to grab yourself an open source OpenID library, strip all the XRI/XRDS stuff out of it and release your modifications. I may have a stab at Ruby, but we'd need to do the same for Python, Java, PHP, Perl etc. |
| 20:53:23 | <tommorris> | C: That said, I think there should be some way that OpenID can work without being tied to HTML. That's a half-baked thought, so ignore it |
| 20:54:29 | <tommorris> | C: The XR[.+] stack is a route to madness though and one we need to steer clear of. |
| 20:58:53 | <earle> | C:Related: [http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50#iddiv2139098016|somewhat old W3C finding about XRI vs URI]. |
| 21:00:05 | <earle> | A:A link in one of the comments shows that [http://groups.google.com/group/xrds-simple/browse_thread/thread/54cc3aebb40d315c|XRDS-Simple will probably be moving away from XRI]. |
| 21:05:39 | <tommorris> | http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1009005 |
| 21:05:49 | <tommorris> | D: Freebase meetup in London on Wednesday |
| 21:05:57 | <tommorris> | D:|Freebase meetup in London on Wednesday |
| 21:06:55 | <tommorris> | D1:If you are in London on Wednesday (2008-08-20), stop by the Yorkshire Grey pub, 29-33 Greys Inn Road, Holborn, to chat about Freebase and related topics. |
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