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| 06:27:30 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION waves to kwijibo |
| 06:27:31 | <phenny> | mhausenblas: 08 Jul 15:36Z <MacTed> tell mhausenblas there are some blurry bits in <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjkI4hJej0> that seem like they were meant be (more) legible text or screenshots (e.g., see 2:27, 2:49, 3:00); certainly the slides are more legible <http://www.slideshare.net/mediasemanticweb/quick-linked-data-introduction/> |
| 06:27:47 | <mhausenblas> | phenny, thanks |
| 06:28:07 | <kwijibo> | g'mornin |
| 06:29:55 | <mhausenblas> | phenny, tell MacTed re quick linked data intro: thanks and I'm gonna update it before TimBL notes my freudian slip (2006 not 1998 ;) |
| 06:29:55 | <phenny> | mhausenblas: I'll pass that on when MacTed is around. |
| 06:31:26 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION gotta reboot PC - WinXP has some new updates for me. yipee! |
| 06:31:37 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION BIAB |
| 06:52:57 | <mhausenblas> | anyone can remember the 'most-often-used-RDF-properties' on http://pingthesemanticweb.com ? |
| 06:53:18 | <mhausenblas> | can't find it and I'm pretty sure they were there, somewhere |
| 06:57:46 | <mhausenblas> | ha! found it |
| 06:57:48 | <mhausenblas> | http://pingthesemanticweb.com/stats/namespaces.php |
| 06:58:09 | <mhausenblas> | not exactly, but that is the closest I guess ... |
| 07:34:12 | <shellac> | semantic web on radio 4 - now |
| 07:34:26 | <libby> | damn, I was gonna say that |
| 07:34:28 | <libby> | :) |
| 07:35:10 | <mhausenblas> | bengee |
| 07:35:15 | <mhausenblas> | around? |
| 07:49:19 | <kwijibo> | shellac: damn! I switched off at the sports news - what were they saying? |
| 07:54:24 | <shellac> | nothing that is unfamiliar :-) intro, then timbl interview |
| 07:55:16 | <shellac> | dunno how quick the listen again and podcast go up. |
| 07:55:24 | <kwijibo> | sweet |
| 07:56:22 | <kwijibo> | ACTION wonders if we can say "semantic web" to normal people and have people recognise the phrase |
| 07:56:32 | <shellac> | watch this space: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/today/ |
| 07:57:28 | <gromgull> | kwijibo, have you never had the "so what do you really work on?" conversation with grand-mothers, non-techie school-friends, etc? Their eyes glaze over pretty damn quickly when you say "semantic" |
| 07:57:50 | <shellac> | I still try to avoid the phrase, I must confess. I tend to use web |
| 07:57:54 | <kwijibo> | yeah |
| 07:58:30 | <shellac> | ACTION sees that the bbc include a podcast link for the zune |
| 07:58:34 | <gromgull> | It usually end up at - "so it's like facebook? " and I agree... |
| 07:58:48 | <shellac> | that zune owner is treated well |
| 07:58:54 | <kwijibo> | gromgull: lol :) |
| 08:00:05 | <gromgull> | shellac: what exactly is the difference between the three rss feeds for itunes zencast and zune? A podcast rss is clearly not a podcast rss is clearly not... |
| 08:00:14 | <gromgull> | I guess i could download and diff them... |
| 08:00:23 | <gromgull> | ah never miund |
| 08:00:24 | <gromgull> | mind |
| 08:00:27 | <gromgull> | it's the protocol |
| 08:00:36 | <gromgull> | and the feed is the same in the end |
| 08:00:36 | <gromgull> | sigh |
| 08:03:40 | <kwijibo> | haha |
| 08:04:34 | <mhausenblas> | bengee? |
| 08:21:13 | <EtnaRosso> | morning all |
| 08:21:35 | <EtnaRosso> | did someone tried Oracle Semantic Technologies? |
| 08:21:50 | <kwijibo> | r4 Today is listenable again: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7496000/7496976.stm (ta KiYanWang) |
| 08:22:12 | <KiYanWang> | kwijibo: no problemo |
| 09:18:05 | <danja_> | phenny, tell DanC which DVCS do you currently favour - mercurial, git..? (I've an existing project currently in subversion I'd like to throw into such a system) |
| 09:18:06 | <phenny> | danja_: I'll pass that on when DanC is around. |
| 09:22:55 | <shellac> | danja_: my limited experience is that mercurial is much nicer, but the git-svn integration gives git a huge advantage |
| 09:23:24 | <shellac> | on jruby git-svn certainly swung it for git |
| 11:15:37 | <danieljohnlewis> | danja_: Quick question. I just sent you a response to your questions, did you get it? and are you ok for me to post on my blog about it? |
| 11:19:37 | <bblfish> | ACTION you academics you |
| 11:19:54 | <bblfish> | ACTION ;-) |
| 11:22:33 | <danieljohnlewis> | ACTION looks puzzlingly at bblfish's remark... then checks the logs to see if he has just missed something interesting |
| 11:22:56 | <bblfish> | ACTION no just conversation on mailing list |
| 11:23:44 | <bblfish> | ACTION semantic-web@w3.org to be precise |
| 11:25:12 | <danieljohnlewis> | ahhh, ok |
| 11:37:38 | <evilbblfish> | ACTION you academics, all of you |
| 11:37:55 | <evilbblfish> | ACTION bblfish |
| 11:38:06 | <bblfish> | ACTION too much fun |
| 12:24:25 | <fgiasson> | mhausenblas: you don't have this stat, only classes |
| 12:35:27 | <rho> | does anyone have some info on how to map SPARQL evaluation onto mapreduce? |
| 12:37:16 | <shellac> | rho: not really. I'd try basic graph patterns first, and work up from there |
| 12:39:46 | <shellac> | ARQ (for example) will do most of the other work for you once you have the basic elements |
| 12:40:49 | <rho> | shellac: something like that would have been my trajectory. |
| 12:41:31 | <rho> | I was only wondering how to best farm out the graph first and then how much evaluation work could be brought into MR form. |
| 12:41:38 | <shellac> | I think there's an rdf project around hadoop, but I haven't seen much come out of it |
| 12:41:57 | <rho> | I'm on their channel now. |
| 12:43:13 | <rho> | At this stage I am more interested in the theory (translating formal semantics). |
| 12:44:35 | <shellac> | if anything has been done on map reduce and relational algebra (almost certainly the case) I think most of that will carry over fairly trivially |
| 12:49:39 | <bblfish> | it's weird the more I write UIs that deal with rdf the more it seems like using triples directly is a good idea |
| 12:51:00 | <kwijibo> | bblfish: what do you mean? |
| 12:52:09 | <bblfish> | well in sommer I wrote a java to rdf mapper, but java objects hide too much info, and are too static to be useful in a lot of cases. It's just easier to create bindings to resources and have the UI elements query the RDF DB directly |
| 12:53:12 | <bblfish> | I can't quite work out the right level of abstraction, but triples are pretty good |
| 12:53:14 | <kwijibo> | what was the motivation for writing the object mapper in the first place? |
| 12:53:59 | <danbri> | there's the map-reduce-merge stuff i posted about here - http://danbri.org/words/2008/05/29/322 |
| 12:54:28 | <shellac> | kwijiba: java land is dominated by beans, so if you can make rdf look beany it could be very powerful |
| 12:55:53 | <bblfish> | kwijibo: It was getting annoying to write queries using statements all the time. Sometimes mapping to java objects are very nice. Sometimes it gets in the way. With UIs statements make a lot of sense though. |
| 12:57:21 | <Shepard> | hmm someone emptied two pages about hbase and rdf: http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/HRDF?action=info http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/Hbase/RDF?action=info |
| 12:57:31 | <Shepard> | at least http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HRdfStoreProposal is still there |
| 12:57:43 | <shellac> | yeah, I noticed that when looking for links. what happened? |
| 12:58:34 | <Shepard> | well on the first link they simply say it was moved to incubator |
| 12:58:43 | <Shepard> | still, cool URIs don't change ;) |
| 12:59:29 | <shellac> | the uri didn't change. its informational content just plunged |
| 13:00:15 | <Shepard> | yeah, but I'd have left it like that and simply added a note to the top that the page is outdated and the current content is to be found elsewhere |
| 13:00:17 | <bblfish> | the trick is nailing down in the java components as much of the static behavior as possible, but working with triples for everything dynamic |
| 13:01:34 | <rho> | danbri: thx! |
| 13:01:57 | <danbri> | if you figure anything out, let us know here or on semantic-web@w3.org |
| 13:03:25 | <rho> | sure. |
| 13:27:34 | <TipTop> | hello |
| 13:28:01 | <TipTop> | AndyS: how is the safest way to completely reset a OntModel? |
| 13:28:22 | <TipTop> | i wish to remove all submodels, all inferences |
| 13:28:34 | <TipTop> | and all statements from the OntModel |
| 13:31:35 | <shellac> | TipTip: probably better on #jena, but I think removeAll should do it |
| 13:59:42 | <DanC> | ACTION scrolls back... |
| 13:59:43 | <phenny> | DanC: 09:18Z <danja_> tell DanC which DVCS do you currently favour - mercurial, git..? (I've an existing project currently in subversion I'd like to throw into such a system) |
| 13:59:54 | <DanC> | danja, mercurial. http://homer.w3.org/~connolly/projects/?sort=lastchange |
| 14:03:57 | <danja_> | thanks! |
| 14:08:38 | <LotR> | DanC: what does mercurial have over git? |
| 14:11:02 | <DanC> | source code that smells good. |
| 14:11:51 | <DanC> | I gather the windows port of mercurial is more straightforward and reliable than git |
| 14:12:29 | <DanC> | the mercurial command set is easier to learn, too. (reportedly; I haven't tried very hard to learn git) |
| 14:12:55 | <dajobe> | I still find git commands hard to remember/use (occasional use) |
| 14:13:19 | <DanC> | I'm a sucker for losing technologies, though. http://advogato.org/person/connolly/diary/47.html |
| 14:13:47 | <DanC> | "worse is better" probably applies to git vs hg too |
| 14:14:01 | <dajobe> | git was based on hg IIRC |
| 14:14:39 | <DanC> | the claims go both ways; I researched the history pretty closely and found they're completely contemporary |
| 14:15:00 | <DanC> | i.e. they were both inspired by the bk fiasco, but the first version of each was developed independently |
| 14:15:22 | <DanC> | I think wikipedia stabilized on this version of history... let's see... |
| 14:15:22 | <dajobe> | heh |
| 14:17:03 | <shellac> | they were both create for linux devel, from what I remember. I though git was a direct response to hg -- a 'nah, you don't want to do it that way' thing |
| 14:18:01 | <DanC> | wikipedia doesn't support that story, shellac |
| 14:18:25 | <DanC> | first design notes on git were in a mail message from linus April 7, 2005 ; |
| 14:18:33 | <DanC> | "Mackall first announced Mercurial on April 19, 2005." |
| 14:19:41 | <kendallgclark> | I find git far more useful in practice because of git-svn. Unless I'm doing or paying for it to be ported to Windows, I don't give two figs whether it's hard or not. :) |
| 14:21:22 | <DanC> | I use hgsvn quite a bit too |
| 14:22:00 | <DanC> | ACTION looks up git-svn, wondering to what extent it can put the toothpaste back in the tube... |
| 14:22:33 | <kendallgclark> | does hgsvn come with hg or is it an add-on? |
| 14:22:51 | <kendallgclark> | i used hg for a while and don't have hgsvn on my box and have never heard of it |
| 14:22:55 | <shellac> | git-svn is a great deal more useful than hgsvn |
| 14:23:03 | <kendallgclark> | (which is probably evidence of my ignorance more than anything else) |
| 14:23:17 | <DanC> | hgsvn doesn't come with hg |
| 14:23:19 | <kendallgclark> | git-svn makes svn bearable IMO :) |
| 14:23:22 | <LotR> | DanC: git-svn works pretty well two-way |
| 14:23:44 | <kendallgclark> | and it saved a protracted debate in my shop about whether we should move off SVN to one of the DVCSes quite neatly |
| 14:24:17 | <DanC> | looks like the git feature set and popularity are sufficient to overcome the "git is a mess of shell scripts" problem; I see "Eclipse IDE-based Git client, based on a pure Java implementation of Git's internals" and such. |
| 14:24:33 | <kendallgclark> | DanC: I agree w/ you about one thing (at least!): if i go a few days w/out using git, I tend to forgot everything and have to re-read one of the 'getting started' things...So I printed one and taped it near my desk. |
| 14:24:53 | <kendallgclark> | There's also a Ruby git client now, etc |
| 14:32:12 | <dajobe> | when the emacs build I used came with git support out of the box (tarball)) it meant I didn't even need to change keystrokes vs cvs or svn. that was nice |
| 14:32:54 | <DanC> | there's emacs support for hg, but it hasn't reached "out of the box" status. |
| 14:33:35 | <DanC> | stuff like joey's "there can be only one" suggests hg has sorta peaked. http://joey.kitenet.net/blog/entry/there_can_be_only_one/ |
| 14:35:24 | <fidothe> | have you guys seen http://github.com/ ? It was that which made me defect from bzr and svn full time to git. The social/technical infrastructure around git seems to be really building |
| 14:40:48 | <DanC> | yes, github is another example of the network effects around git |
| 14:41:51 | <dajobe> | wasn't it down this week? |
| 14:42:41 | <DanC> | speaking of the risksof centralized services, identi.ca looks fun |
| 14:43:00 | <DanC> | meanwhile, via tim bray on twitter, " Vote on your favorite bug-tracker & SCM, & pass the word: http://tinyurl.com/5kof8c" |
| 14:48:47 | <yvesr> | ACTION is quite happy with git and git-svn |
| 15:49:05 | <danbri> | re git etc |
| 15:49:08 | <danbri> | Shall I pull this patch? (1/2) [ynWvpxqadjk], or ? for help |
| 15:49:13 | <danbri> | made be grin, trying to learn darcs |
| 15:49:25 | <danbri> | in fairness, the help is helpful. |
| 19:14:25 | <bblfish_> | is aol.com down? |
| 19:19:19 | <DanC> | works for me |
| 19:20:12 | <bblfish_> | ah well I can't ping aol.com, perhaps a local name resolution problem |
| 19:21:44 | <DanC> | I can't ping aol.com either; perhaps an administrative choice on their part |
| 19:24:11 | <bblfish_> | DanC: ah well I can't nslookup them either |
| 19:26:08 | <DanC> | ah. I can nslookup. |
| 19:27:21 | <bblfish_> | I was wondering because I can no longer use aol instant messenger |
| 19:28:03 | <bblfish> | ACTION very tired, got to go and rest |
| 19:35:31 | <edd> | bblfish: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/aol.com |
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