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| 04:57:34 | <puff> | Hm, so #swig is for the semantic web? What channel is for the swig.org tool? |
| 05:00:16 | <adu> | puff: I don't think swig.org has a channel here |
| 05:02:57 | <puff> | Ah well, thanks anyway. Good luck with the semantic web. |
| 05:03:33 | <adu> | thanks, If you See What I Mean |
| 05:05:05 | <puff> | Whatever the in joke is, I don't get it. |
| 05:05:16 | <puff> | ACTION waves. |
| 08:26:12 | <EtnaRosso> | morning all |
| 08:26:15 | <EtnaRosso> | morning all |
| 08:39:58 | <mahound> | morning EtnaRosso |
| 13:01:22 | <kwijibo> | Hi, if you are exporting rdf from one store to another, using sparql to get the rdf out, but spreading it out over multiple requests (paging through the store with offset and limit), so as to cope with larger datasets, and the rdf uses some bnodes, is it possible to export the data without the risk of creating duplicates of the bnode resources? |
| 16:13:47 | <bblfish> | bengee? |
| 16:36:41 | <bblfish> | http://www.thearchitect.co.uk/weblog/archives/2008/03/000493.html |
| 16:37:12 | <bblfish> | A:| blog post: Delivering Data Portability (Part 2) - Sharing Contacts Between Social Networks |
| 16:37:58 | <bblfish> | A: "Microsoft announced the release of the Windows Live Contacts API, which web developers can use to enable their users to transfer and share their Windows Live Contacts in a safe and secure way. Starting today, Microsoft is working with Facebook, Bebo, Hi5, Tagged and LinkedIn to exchange functionally-similar Contacts APIs, allowing all partners to create a safe, secure two-way street for users to move their relationships between our |
| 16:38:55 | <bblfish> | A: talk of API makes me think this is non RESTful |
| 16:39:41 | <bblfish> | A: all that is needed to get foaf and linked data to compete is a way to have resources return different representations depening on the client identity |
| 16:55:08 | <mahound> | bblfish: "A RESTful API that works on Address Book objects." |
| 16:55:23 | <mahound> | http://dev.live.com/contacts/ |
| 16:55:35 | <mahound> | B:| Windows Live Contacts API |
| 16:55:45 | <mahound> | the name "Windows live" scares me |
| 16:56:27 | <bblfish> | mahound: yes |
| 16:56:35 | <bblfish> | so it's a centralised service right? |
| 16:57:30 | <mahound> | seems so |
| 16:57:45 | <mahound> | "The Contacts API offers a more granular control over the user experience and allows users to grant and revoke permission to their data on a site-by-site basis." |
| 16:57:55 | <mahound> | this sounds so... OpenID |
| 17:03:02 | <mahound> | as for A, i disagree with the author |
| 17:03:16 | <mahound> | it's not a huge step for social networking |
| 17:04:45 | <mahound> | it's a social network cartel :) |
| 17:13:30 | <bblfish> | A: Ok so mahound lets me know that this is restful http://dev.live.com/contacts/ , but the problem remains that it seems very centralised |
| 17:25:22 | <bengee> | ACTION is back |
| 17:26:48 | <danbri> | sounds like the google contacts api |
| 17:26:48 | <phenny> | danbri: 22 Mar 00:32Z <iand> tell danbri yes re oauth |
| 17:26:52 | <danbri> | :) |
| 17:41:02 | <bblfish> | bengee: hi |
| 17:41:12 | <bengee> | hi |
| 17:41:27 | <bengee> | the username part has to be something simple, for http's sake |
| 17:41:27 | <bblfish> | So I like the idea of RDFAuth |
| 17:41:43 | <bengee> | but that doesn't rule out the idea of using pgp somehow |
| 17:42:00 | <bblfish> | well the idea is to link it to foaf somehow |
| 17:42:16 | <bblfish> | so that one can also get information about the person |
| 17:42:33 | <bblfish> | this would be openid simplified to the max |
| 17:43:05 | <bblfish> | but noting stops me having my foaf at http://bblfish.net/ |
| 17:43:08 | <bblfish> | encoded as rdfa |
| 17:43:33 | <bblfish> | that may be a better id then: http://bblfish.net/#henry |
| 17:44:27 | <bblfish> | Anyway, this is getting really urgent |
| 17:44:51 | <bblfish> | I think it is the only argument people have against foaf for the moment: no protection |
| 17:45:23 | <bengee> | ACTION googles for pgp via php on shared hosts |
| 17:46:24 | <bengee> | hmm, doesn't seem to be too easy |
| 17:47:20 | <bblfish> | As I mentioned, RDF is flexible, this could also work for other cryptographic keys |
| 17:48:27 | <bblfish> | mhh. being flexible there, would require the header to specify the entryption mechanism |
| 17:57:50 | <bengee> | a pgp verifier could be used as an rdfauth endpoint, I guess |
| 17:58:38 | <bblfish> | a cool. |
| 18:00:00 | <bblfish> | Well I'd be really interested to see if we can get something sensible and get something going with Beatnik. IT would be good to get the Tabulator people involved too |
| 18:00:10 | <bengee> | a sort-of stateless endpoint that doesn't issue tokens for known users, but does a little bit of http to verify a token |
| 18:01:58 | <bblfish> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008Mar/0178.html |
| 18:02:13 | <bblfish> | We are just discussing C for those interested |
| 18:06:42 | <bblfish> | bengee: do you know oAuth |
| 18:06:43 | <bblfish> | ? |
| 18:07:02 | <bengee> | looked at it a couple of times |
| 18:07:14 | <bblfish> | does it look anything like what we are doing? |
| 18:07:17 | <bengee> | but it seems to follow openid's redirect dance |
| 18:07:20 | <bblfish> | ah ok. |
| 18:07:39 | <bengee> | at least to generate the tokens |
| 18:07:46 | <bblfish> | Could you reply to that email on foaf dev? |
| 18:07:51 | <bengee> | after that you can do server-side communication |
| 18:08:02 | <bengee> | yeah, will do |
| 18:08:07 | <bblfish> | I need to look at it... thanks :-) |
| 18:10:27 | <yvesr> | http://blog.last.fm/2008/03/25/fingerprinting-and-metadata-progress-report |
| 18:10:43 | <yvesr> | D:| Fingerprinting lookup open-source software by last.fm |
| 18:11:45 | <yvesr> | D: Example result http://moustaki.org/resources/lastfm.xml |
| 18:13:20 | <yvesr> | D: The results are a bit disapointing, compared to a plain metadata lookup against musicbrainz, in most of the cases - I guess it is mainly due to their "quest for the ultimate canonical title", whereas they should emphasise having unique URIs for unique things (artists, tracks, albums, etc.) |
| 18:56:54 | <danja__> | ndw, you around? |
| 18:57:49 | <danja__> | phenny, tell ndw http://norman.walsh.name/robots.txt for http://norman.walsh.name/knows/who/#norman-walsh as found in timbl's foaf |
| 18:57:49 | <phenny> | danja__: I'll pass that on when ndw is around. |
| 19:11:59 | <ndw> | danja__, yes |
| 19:11:59 | <phenny> | ndw: 18:57Z <danja__> tell ndw http://norman.walsh.name/robots.txt for http://norman.walsh.name/knows/who/#norman-walsh as found in timbl's foaf |
| 19:12:39 | <ndw> | Hmmm |
| 19:17:12 | <timbl> | ? |
| 19:17:31 | <timbl> | now a good uri for u ndw ? |
| 19:18:08 | <ndw> | uhm. well, actually knows/who/norman-walsh is better but there's supposed to be an owl sameAs |
| 19:18:17 | <ndw> | and I do need to publihs the updated robots.txt |
| 19:19:34 | <danja__> | ACTION prefers irc to twitter :-) |
| 19:19:42 | <ndw> | ok, new robots.txt pushed |
| 19:19:47 | <ndw> | robots, have at it! |
| 19:20:37 | <danja__> | ew, eclipse fell over |
| 19:21:09 | <shellac> | danja__: permgen full? |
| 19:21:24 | <shellac> | ACTION has been suffering that recently |
| 19:22:31 | <danja__> | dunno |
| 19:23:57 | <danja__> | ACTION not sure where permgen lives |
| 19:24:13 | <shellac> | sun java 6 and eclipse don't play well together |
| 19:24:26 | <danja__> | ah - I'm on 6 |
| 19:24:58 | <danja__> | (not that I've read the manual since 1.3) |
| 19:25:43 | <danja__> | ACTION waiting for bot to get to ndw's foaf |
| 19:26:02 | <ndw> | ndw's foaf is /foaf.rdf |
| 19:26:49 | <danja__> | ok... |
| 19:28:22 | <danja__> | that'll have to wait until I update my own foaf then |
| 19:32:22 | <danja__> | ACTION runs bot on ndw's foaf |
| 19:32:59 | <danja__> | boo, think I must have broken something, it's not discovering any more triple |
| 19:33:48 | <danja__> | oh wait, there's some |
| 19:34:02 | <danja__> | so why didn't it see any rdf at http://purl.org/net/eric/webwho.xrdf |
| 19:35:04 | <danja__> | .seen em |
| 19:35:04 | <phenny> | Sorry, I haven't seen em around. |
| 19:35:25 | <danja__> | his foaf's served as text/plain |
| 19:35:39 | <danja__> | . http://www.w3.org/People/EM/webwho.xrdf |
| 19:36:15 | <danja__> | my bot is a bit narrow-minded at the moment... |
| 19:40:47 | <timbl> | phpht .. $ curl -I http://www.w3.org/People/EM/webwho.xrdf |
| 19:40:47 | <timbl> | text/plain |
| 20:01:29 | <bblfish_> | I heard the Jena team were doing some relational db to linked data mapping |
| 20:01:36 | <bblfish_> | an open source project |
| 20:01:53 | <bblfish_> | so that you can query relational DBs with SPARQL |
| 20:10:03 | <timbl> | really? |
| 20:34:05 | <mahound> | ls |
| 20:34:07 | <TedThibodeauJr> | phenny ask bblfish please post a pointer to Jena RDB-2-LOD rumor stuff? |
| 20:34:14 | <mahound> | (delete that) |
| 20:34:15 | <TedThibodeauJr> | phenny, ask bblfish please post a pointer to Jena RDB-2-LOD rumor stuff? |
| 20:34:15 | <phenny> | TedThibodeauJr: I'll pass that on when bblfish is around. |
| 20:34:17 | <TedThibodeauJr> | that. |
| 21:58:46 | <tommorris> | http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/462878/ |
| 21:58:59 | <tommorris> | E:| Portable London 0.96b - DataPortability Lunch Meet-up (upcoming.org / London) |
| 21:59:07 | <tommorris> | E: "Informal lunch for contributors of the DataPortability Project and those interested to learn more about it." |
| 21:59:28 | <tommorris> | E: Sunday April 6 2008 - 12.30pm - 3.00pm |
| 22:00:56 | <tommorris> | ACTION has committed a Scratchpad Driveby |
| 22:02:44 | <tommorris> | hey, iand! are you coming to http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/462878/ ? |
| 22:08:45 | <iand> | hmmm tommorris, not sure |
| 22:08:58 | <iand> | need to check with family |
| 22:26:22 | <KjetilK> | http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/ |
| 22:26:36 | <KjetilK> | F:|Animal Diversity Web |
| 22:27:07 | <KjetilK> | F: I just discovered it has OWL, which seems to make a good candidate for Linking Open Data |
| 22:27:32 | <KjetilK> | F: E.g. http://spire.umbc.edu/ontologies/taxa/Ochotona_curzoniae.owl |
| 22:28:06 | <KjetilK> | (I was writing an article about that little guy, which I was fortunate to bump into in Tibet :-) ) |
| 22:31:15 | <KjetilK> | ACTION looks at the host names and realises they might be two different efforts, but interesting nevertheless |
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