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| 13:53:49 | <TipTop> | hello all |
| 13:54:57 | <TipTop> | i am trying to find ElementBlock in jena |
| 13:55:18 | <TipTop> | did it disappear? |
| 14:16:59 | <AndyS> | (answered in #jena - ElementBlock went away a long time ago) |
| 14:37:52 | <timbl> | Andys, good note on N3 dialects. Small corection about @base etc |
| 14:38:04 | <timbl> | It is not the onlt hing which can affect file concatenation. |
| 14:38:17 | <timbl> | Cwm assumes by default @prefix : <#>. |
| 14:38:44 | <timbl> | This is just so useful for teeny files that it is IMHO worth uttig in the spec. |
| 14:39:40 | <timbl> | But it means that if you want concatenate files, you have to put @bae <some abs uri>. @prefix : <#>. between them to remove previous context. |
| 14:42:52 | <AndyS> | timbl - will note - was more thinking of turtle where @base is the only thing IIRC |
| 14:44:27 | <AndyS> | Where's the assumed "@prefix : <#>" documented for N3? (I used n3.n3 mainly) |
| 14:44:38 | <timbl> | Does turtle not have any binding to : by default? |
| 14:44:53 | <AndyS> | Not as far as I ca see from the doc. |
| 14:45:10 | <timbl> | n3.n3 is a grammar -- it can't tell you tokenizing or whitespec or semantics |
| 14:46:11 | <timbl> | The spec is http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Notation3.html |
| 14:47:03 | <AndyS> | -> The empty prefix "" is by default , bound to the empty URI "". |
| 14:47:10 | <timbl> | Anothr =er issue: the < around URIs conventionally are so you can split them across lines |
| 14:48:59 | <AndyS> | Which is : bound to? <> or <#> ? |
| 14:56:15 | <AndyS> | Re: line splitting and <> - what's the rule - ignore whietspace or ignore newlines only? |
| 14:56:37 | <timbl> | Goof point. <#>. |
| 14:56:46 | <AndyS> | Got it - whitespace. |
| 14:57:04 | <timbl> | I'm not even sure of cwm implemenst the line splitting in <> |
| 14:57:36 | <timbl> | In principel I think it is a godo idea, as it gets around huge lines in files, esp. wit some of the sarql queries etc we get nowadays |
| 14:57:43 | <timbl> | but I don't think we have a test case |
| 15:13:09 | <timbl> | ACTION clarifies http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Notation3.html |
| 15:18:18 | <dajobe> | no, turtle does not bind : by default |
| 15:22:52 | <timbl> | I would suggest it as an improvement. |
| 15:23:23 | <timbl> | It makes little test files simpler |
| 15:23:44 | <timbl> | like :Joe :mother :Jane. |
| 15:23:47 | <dajobe> | hmm |
| 15:25:08 | <dajobe> | this is what I have right now for base uris/prefixes http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/#sec-uris |
| 16:37:08 | <EliasT> | Anybody that can ping AndyS? http://sparql.org/sparql is down. |
| 17:17:18 | <Wikier> | hi |
| 17:21:56 | <danja> | phenny, tell bblfish s/Tallis/Talis & thanks! |
| 17:21:59 | <phenny> | danja: I'll pass that on when bblfish is around. |
| 17:22:09 | <bblfish> | ah thanks |
| 17:22:12 | <phenny> | bblfish: 17:21Z <danja> tell bblfish s/Tallis/Talis & thanks! |
| 17:23:47 | <bblfish> | done |
| 17:24:14 | <danja> | ta |
| 17:24:28 | <danja> | gnu-ish, yep - I think it was timbl reckoned it didn't pass his test of independent invention |
| 17:24:50 | <danja> | I dunno, gpl has been pretty useful |
| 17:24:51 | <bblfish> | I am going to get onto the talis platform. But first priority is Semantic Address Book again |
| 17:25:47 | <danja> | cool |
| 17:26:47 | <danja> | ACTION would like to hook that up to the Platform :-) |
| 18:11:51 | <kidehen> | bblfish: when will you resume the addressbook work? |
| 18:12:50 | <kidehen> | bblfish: we are already producing RDF Views based on Baetle re. Bugzilla :-) We also already have an Address Book Data Space that is waiting to mesh with the likes of your project and bengees :-) |
| 18:13:36 | <kidehen> | danja: I still don't grok how Virtuoso and/or ODS will mesh with Talis platform though? I do remember you mentioning some kind of RDF store abstraction. |
| 18:14:03 | <kidehen> | danja: cannot discern said abstraction from Talis platform material on the Wiki etc.. |
| 18:14:18 | <kidehen> | danja: I see Talis as a variant of EC2 with an RDF bent. Please correct me if I am wrong etc.. |
| 18:14:56 | <kidehen> | danja: It is also an RDF store (REST based) which kinda makes it alternative storage to most RDF stores, at least based on current material |
| 18:16:00 | <kidehen> | danja: for instance, how would Talis mesh with Virtuoso? Based on the fact that you can shove RDF into Virtuoso via Curl for instance (as you do currently with Talis Platform)? |
| 18:16:10 | <kidehen> | danja: I see the way in, but don't see the way out :-) |
| 18:16:41 | <kidehen> | danja: unless I can SPARQL CONSTRUCT ? |
| 18:19:37 | <bblfish> | kidehen: cool |
| 18:56:34 | <danja_> | kidehen, quick response (food on table!) |
| 18:56:53 | <danja_> | "Talis as a variant of EC2 with an RDF bent" - yep, not a bad summary |
| 18:57:10 | <danja_> | SPARQL CONSTRUCT - yep, can do |
| 18:57:44 | <danja_> | " how Virtuoso and/or ODS will mesh with Talis platform though?" - tricky one that :-) |
| 18:58:12 | <danja_> | I was thinking that at a base level both systems deal in linked data |
| 18:59:04 | <danja_> | but above that, we know each systems local conventions for URI construction etc, so e.g. cross-system should be easier to set up |
| 18:59:09 | <danja_> | biab |
| 19:03:37 | <sr> | is foaf:based_near [ a geo:Point; geo:long "bar"; geo:lat "foo"; dc:description "Brussels, Belgium'; ] good ? |
| 19:05:56 | <sr> | or should I use vcard:Country instead? (plain-english location because I am generating html from foaf with danja's sparql2hcard.xsl) |
| 19:10:49 | <kidehen> | danja: so the common ground is linked data. There is not concept of abstracted RDF data storage in Talis anymore, just confirming what I think to be the case etc.. |
| 19:58:51 | <DanC> | bingo! I've got my 10 years of quicken data in sqlite. 15 years, maybe even. |
| 19:59:03 | <DanC> | sqlite> select Accounts.id, Accounts.name, total(Splits.subtot) from Accounts, Transactions, Splits where Splits.trx = Transactions.id and Transactions.acct = Accounts.id group by Transactions.acct; |
| 19:59:05 | <DanC> | ^ a net worth report |
| 20:01:56 | <sbp> | ACTION briefly entertains ideas of comparing annual expenditures against the consumer price index using RDFery... |
| 20:06:43 | <DanC> | ACTION commits http://homer.w3.org/~connolly/projects/quacken/file/f1a45c56333c |
| 20:09:09 | <DanC> | ok, so I used my owlsql stuff for the schema... http://homer.w3.org/~connolly/projects/quacken/raw-file/c4b726456185/qdb.html |
| 20:09:11 | <DanC> | I wonder if I can convince django to work with that, or if I have to re-code the schema in python |
| 20:11:45 | <DanC> | that was wild... I tried to go to django.org ... I got a reply from an "OpenDNS guide". I chose into opendns... I dind't realize I was getting something like the verisign sitefinder while I was at it. hmm. |
| 20:35:44 | <DanC> | ACTION adapts owl2sql.xsl to owl2django.xsl easily enough... tests it out... |
| 20:36:00 | <DanC> | EnvironmentError: Environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE is undefined. |
| 20:37:09 | <DanC> | ACTION backs up to http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/0.96/tutorial01/ ... |
| 20:39:01 | <DanC> | today's an MIT holiday, so I'm hacking on wishlist items |
| 20:39:34 | <DanC> | hmm... time for a name for this thing. I think quacken is taken |
| 20:39:57 | <DanC> | personal finance manager... pfm... quick personal finance manager.... pqfm ... too hard to type |
| 20:40:03 | <DanC> | piql |
| 20:40:30 | <DanC> | qfm |
| 20:40:36 | <chimezie> | .ety money |
| 20:40:37 | <DanC> | quick finance manager |
| 20:40:47 | <phenny> | "c.1290, 'coinage, metal currency,' from O.Fr. moneie, from L. moneta 'mint, coinage,' from Moneta, a title of the Roman goddess Juno, in or near whose temple money was coined; perhaps from monere 'advise, warn' (see monitor), with the sense of 'admonishing goddess,' [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=money |
| 20:45:51 | <DanC> | ACTION publishes http://homer.w3.org/~connolly/projects/owlsql/ |
| 20:50:00 | <chimezie> | I came across a decent article on using mercurial to manage changesets off an SVN trunk, but seem to have misplaced it. |
| 20:52:05 | <DanC> | I'm a happy hgsvn user |
| 20:52:24 | <DanC> | hmm... django is asking if I want to make a superuser account. hmm. |
| 20:52:57 | <chimezie> | ahh yes, hgsvn - that rings a bell |
| 21:03:09 | <DanC> | oh... hmm... django has projects and apps... I think I'm making an app. |
| 22:01:50 | <DanC> | ooh... I think I just got my quicken data into a django app... |
| 22:03:43 | <DanC> | hmm... invalid literal for int() with base 10: '10/23/07' |
| 22:03:45 | <DanC> | not handling dates correctly. |
| 22:07:16 | <DanC> | Exception Location: /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/django/db/backends/util.py in typecast_date, line 46 |
| 22:12:31 | <pjenvey> | hrmm django |
| 22:14:51 | <pjenvey> | ACTION recommends pylons + sqlalchemy but is biased |
| 22:15:19 | <pjenvey> | sounds like you might be using their admin interface anyway, which can be nice if it does what you need |
| 22:23:45 | <DanC> | django seems to be working; I don't think I want to know about the competition. (except that I like genshi...) |
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