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00:40:37<dajobe>C:|Joost page with RDFa
00:41:05<dajobe>hmm, reminds me I must tell dom how to run raptor in the strict grddl mode.
06:38:55<bengee>ACTION receives a "we are taking the necessary steps to deal with semanticwebs.com" mail from technorati
06:39:13<dajobe>I got an email from them to 'join'
06:39:23<bengee>yeah, me too
06:39:26<dajobe>it's turned into a 1-entry blog
06:40:10<bengee>oh
06:42:03<bengee>still no imprint or author info...
06:44:31<dajobe>clearly they are still mining planetrdf & nearby
11:58:12<tommorris>DanC: the travel app you've built - have you got a screenshot of the output that I can copy-paste in to a BarCamp talk?
11:59:23<tommorris>Oh, wait, found it.
15:11:51<runa>hey
18:56:24<DanC>now *that* is just too cool. http://ryanlee.org/2007/08/decide.html
19:22:54<mhausenblas>DanC: true ;)
19:35:16<DanC>ACTION studies some rif... http://triplr.org/turtle/http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m463ee19a
19:35:25<DanC>based on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Aug/0049.html
19:38:56<DanC>"unordered collection mechanism in ASN07, written
19:38:56<DanC> using the Kleene operators (*,+,?)"
19:39:06<DanC>odd... Klene * is usually ordered
19:39:38<mhausenblas>DanC: Something completely different - you are uF-affine, right?
19:40:01<DanC>not sure I get the question, but I guess so
19:40:40<mhausenblas>We had a discussion about good practice document for RDFa, recently
19:41:35<mhausenblas>see -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-18-34
19:42:52<DanC>them's fightin' words: "Microformats done right"
19:45:17<mhausenblas>that's why I#d like to ask you to somehow contribute :)
19:45:24<DanC>ok, I skimmed it. did you have a question?
19:45:59<DanC>my 1st contribution is: don't phrase it as "Microformats done right", which says that microformats are currently done wrong.
19:46:04<mhausenblas>I proposed a ESWiki ape and start off with uF that have a voc as hCard, etc.
19:46:23<mhausenblas>ok. but that was an easy one ;)
19:46:50<mhausenblas>s/ape/page
19:47:12<DanC>do you want hCard examples? I can help you find those... though I expect you can find them yourself.
19:47:51<DanC>if you want to convert hCard examples to use RDFa, that doesn't appeal to me much.
19:47:56<mhausenblas>well thanks. rahter thought about contributing to the Wiki page in terms of, say, reviewing what I put there?
19:48:09<DanC>ok. reviewing is easy enough
19:48:21<mhausenblas>s/ rahter/rather
19:48:46<mhausenblas>that's great, thanks
19:49:01<DanC>by the way... I'm kinda annoyed by the recent rdfa.info postings that celebrate RDFa usage but don't point out that the usage is broken
19:49:17<DanC>i.e. http://rdfa.info/2007/08/23/rdfa-in-the-wild/
19:49:26<mhausenblas>ACTION blushes
19:49:33<mhausenblas>which one is borken?
19:49:38<DanC>oops... not that posting...
19:49:46<DanC>this one http://rdfa.info/2007/08/23/joost-using-rdfa-on-website/
19:50:04<DanC>the joost page (http://www.joost.com/0440008 ) bears a doctype that it doesn't match
19:50:29<DanC>and the media type is text/html
19:51:08<mhausenblas>mhm. gotta have a look at it and fix it ...
19:52:13<mhausenblas>seems that the original post from Mark (http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2007/07/rdfa-used-in-joost.html) also refers to an invalid HTML+RDFa page :(
19:52:20<DanC>has the taskforce chosen an RDFa profile URI or a transformation URI yet?
19:52:41<DanC>right; Steven P's post just points to Mark's
19:52:59<mhausenblas>might be that DanB and his team from Joost still adapting RDFa
19:53:19<mhausenblas>yeah, but Steven has another example AFAIK ...
19:53:34<DanC>ACTION hunts for the issues list... gets as far as http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/ ...
19:53:39<DanC>ACTION finds http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/ ...
19:53:44<mhausenblas>regarding profiloe URI
19:53:55<mhausenblas>gotta look up ...
19:54:08<DanC>hmm... I thought there was an issue about a profile URI...
19:54:22<DanC>maybe it's under follow-your-nose http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28
19:54:52<DanC>issue still seems to be open
19:55:06<mhausenblas>well Ralph had an action IIRC and we more or less resolved it :) gimme a sec to find it ...
19:57:03<DanC>I'd like joost to get rid of their DTD (or use the nifty <!DOCTYPE > from HTML 5) and add a profile. Then both GRDDL and RDFa tools would grok.
19:58:06<mhausenblas>mhm. right. so the action was http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action15
20:02:24<mhausenblas>ACTION can't find the resolution, but IIRC it was a rather short URI like w3.org/ns/rdfa#
20:02:29<mhausenblas>ehy! it
20:02:37<mhausenblas>is even there http://www.w3.org/ns/rdfa/ ...
20:03:09<DanC>no grddl pointer
20:03:24<DanC>nothing about status either; that's unlike Ralph
20:03:32<mhausenblas>yeah. not yet. but a first step ...
20:03:55<mhausenblas>you know. things take a while at standardisation bodies :))
20:03:59<DanC>ACTION sees it wasn't RalphS that committed that HTML document
20:04:08<mhausenblas>but who?
20:04:13<DanC>so it does look like the URI is chosen
20:04:18<DanC>one of the webmasters
20:05:00<mhausenblas>ok. I'll bug people to get this done (ok. first ask Ralph :)
20:05:36<mhausenblas>ACTION thinks it is late already ... gotta catch some sleep (our newborn is here first day/night)
20:05:39<mhausenblas>bye
20:59:22<runa>I've been reading about URIs, and I don't understand how I'll choose a URI to identify a person and other developers will choose the same. For example, I think a URL for paris hilton might be: http://thing-described-by.org/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Hilton . what do you think? does this makes any sense?
21:08:19<kwijibo>runa: have you read the Linked Open Data tutorial?
21:19:33<runa>I don't think so. linkeddata.org/ ?
21:21:39<runa>kwijibo: thanks

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