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| 14:03:45 | <drrho> | ACTION is away: (shopping food) |
| 14:17:37 | <bblfish> | phew... I am starting to understand pgp and all that stuff. Very good book I am reading called "Web Security, Privacy & Commerce" 2nd edition, by O'Reilly |
| 14:18:34 | <bblfish> | now I understand why Jermey Carroll had to develop his graph signing algorithm |
| 14:19:17 | <bblfish> | If I want to sing my foaf file, it is going to be problematic because currently it returns a number of representations. |
| 14:19:44 | <bblfish> | I could sign just the rdf file, and just the n3 file for example |
| 14:20:58 | <bblfish> | so I instead of signing http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card I would have to sing http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card.rdf or http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card.n3 |
| 14:21:08 | <timbl> | You should sign just one. |
| 14:21:56 | <timbl> | You connect the sig to that file and anyone who wants can check the sig and check the data from the sigend document. |
| 14:22:02 | <timbl> | IMHO. |
| 14:22:19 | <timbl> | Tryingto sign a graph, whch invlves canonicalizing a graph, is unnecessary. |
| 14:22:23 | <timbl> | You sign the doc. |
| 14:22:25 | <bblfish> | So I add something like <http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card.rdf> signed <http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card.sig> |
| 14:22:56 | <timbl> | Or even card.rdf and sig.rdf |
| 14:22:59 | <bblfish> | and then I also say <http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card.rdf> iana:alternate <http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card.n3> |
| 14:23:26 | <timbl> | You can sign things with cwm, and the results you put in RDF or N3 output |
| 14:23:37 | <bblfish> | oh. nice |
| 14:23:46 | <bblfish> | using pgp? |
| 14:24:11 | <timbl> | It uses the raw public key algorithms from pycrypto. |
| 14:24:12 | <bblfish> | ACTION Ah I was wondering how to add a signature to the file itself |
| 14:24:34 | <timbl> | There is a cert chain example in the regression suite even I think. |
| 14:25:09 | <timbl> | Ah ... adding a sig to the file itself is always tricky as yo have to exclude the sig from the signing, ... a sep file is much easier. |
| 14:25:50 | <timbl> | <> ex:signedBy <sig.rdf> You can point to teh sig from the file |
| 14:26:00 | <bblfish> | yes, that's what I thought. |
| 14:26:37 | <bblfish> | (I meant that it would be tricky to add a sig to the file itself without there being some convention in the language that is) |
| 14:27:49 | <bblfish> | yep I see. I would have two sig files, one for the n3 and one for the rdf represenatations |
| 14:30:22 | <bblfish> | mhh the web of trust ontology does not have a relation from a document to its signature... http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/ |
| 14:30:40 | <bblfish> | wrong! |
| 14:30:41 | <bblfish> | it does |
| 14:31:14 | <bblfish> | <card.rdf> <http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/assurance> <sig.rdf.asc> . |
| 14:31:29 | <bblfish> | <card.n3> <http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/assurance> <sig.n3.asc> . |
| 14:32:18 | <bblfish> | and better just use <> and put the correct statement into each file . |
| 14:33:35 | <bblfish> | thanks timbl. I am going to try to add a signature to my file and blog about this :-) Interesting one can even use this to publish one's public key... |
| 14:37:19 | <bblfish> | ACTION this is so much fun |
| 14:44:18 | <bblfish> | "and better just use <> and put the correct statement into each file " except that if I do that then if someone merges the graphs from the two documents, there will be falsity |
| 14:45:59 | <timbl> | bblfish, you can publish my pgp key too in your foaf file. |
| 14:46:00 | <bblfish> | so I have to use the full URIs and then point out that <http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card> iana:alternate <card.rdf>, <card.n3> |
| 14:46:12 | <timbl> | Then we have a chain of trust |
| 14:46:28 | <timbl> | iana: ? |
| 14:46:46 | <bblfish> | http://bblfish.net/work/atom-owl/2006-06-06/AtomOwl.html |
| 14:46:53 | <timbl> | gen:contentTypeSpecific |
| 14:47:18 | <bblfish> | atom has link relation alternate that is specified by iana |
| 14:47:27 | <bblfish> | for linking to alternate representations |
| 14:47:46 | <quoll_> | timbl: wouldn't a chain of trust require a signature on the the foaf file? Sorry if I've missed it, but I haven't seen a description of how to do that |
| 14:49:33 | <timbl> | see http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/test/crypto/Makefile |
| 14:49:59 | <timbl> | for a public-key cert generation and signing etc using cwm |
| 14:50:03 | <timbl> | You were using pgp, though? |
| 14:50:46 | <quoll_> | well, I use gpg, but the principles are the same |
| 14:50:59 | <bblfish> | this is where the iana alternate relations comes from: http://www.atompub.org/rfc4287.html#rfc.section.4.2.7.2 |
| 14:51:21 | <quoll_> | my concern was the signature not being incorporated into the file |
| 14:52:06 | <quoll_> | though I guess that's not really a problem (now that I think about it) |
| 14:52:13 | <timbl> | If you incorporate the signature into the file, you have to have a sig algo which excludes the signaturev itself, which is what a bunch of the complexity from XML DSig is. |
| 14:52:56 | <timbl> | ACTION adds card_rdf.asc : card.rdf |
| 14:52:59 | <timbl> | ACTION gpg --output card_rdf.asc --clearsign card.rdf to his Makefile |
| 14:55:22 | <timbl> | Hmmm . looks like me key has rotted |
| 14:55:23 | <bblfish> | What would be the advantage of putting your signature in my foaf file? I already point to your foaf file... Should you not have your foaf file point to your public pgp signature? |
| 14:56:56 | <timbl> | Sorry, you put my pup key in your foaf file |
| 14:57:04 | <timbl> | pub |
| 14:57:22 | <bblfish> | what for? |
| 14:57:24 | <timbl> | "I know a person whose name is tim and whose pgp key ois this" |
| 14:57:44 | <timbl> | Then when someone retreives my foaf file they can check it has not been tamprered with |
| 14:58:05 | <timbl> | Your FOAF file becomes a cert for me. |
| 14:58:11 | <bblfish> | ah. ok. Distributed public kehs |
| 14:58:16 | <bblfish> | keys. nice |
| 14:58:19 | <timbl> | yup |
| 14:58:31 | <bblfish> | still you should point to your public key :-) |
| 14:58:42 | <bblfish> | Are these things not super long though? |
| 14:59:56 | <timbl> | Well, quite long -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- |
| 14:59:57 | <timbl> | Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) |
| 14:59:57 | <timbl> | mQGiBEESw2YRBAC3FASezIEFh1B/5dy6jjbd8ITDXXG2I+Jf+/WYzLJEwXNkik6h |
| 14:59:57 | <timbl> | C6T08UmHg1Cf2IDXHoyAMshM3bElJU0KRjRkNFXE3vCBKYjR0anNAtVLCQEdGPMS |
| 14:59:57 | <timbl> | 1wpgG9vRqpq/uDp4fv94sr5CDLbXeDJv6Ope1zvboFENO8sT/YIvRUsGvwCgyD0F |
| 15:00:01 | <timbl> | vFX+AKGxxCnEEfUpHRgUhq8EAJTlu8cymTw4qIjtLTiKZ4FgAOXiy7hkm9C+TYC6 |
| 15:00:01 | <timbl> | qIHRqZfPmGo6k3YJtSv8m17rnT8Wm7hBFCq9BnYSoqDAOqprvMJyCiMRBvf+pIh9 |
| 15:00:01 | <timbl> | US9hAjqdNyfX1HnmXMc7gzRSuDrt4wZzIxkuRIZ0e01sYOTluqu0g7cqW5z+oIiJ |
| 15:00:03 | <timbl> | giobA/0cRK0qwPslCEPPeAcPZuWx+rpypPqFlseU18CoAlf25bgm4Gn9lz+L3EV1 |
| 15:00:05 | <timbl> | ByQx6KlqrKu33wu8IGTr3oO/cSbwNxXfxbTZQwi6krRJSS+Fkfv/Q5K3oyKTja6r |
| 15:00:07 | <timbl> | nFq4iQfy/IS7i9EOPOkaqkPHPC0kmX8BiyMsuwI2lCcCuA2n4rQuVGltb3RoeSBC |
| 15:00:09 | <timbl> | ZXJuZXJzLUxlZSAoTUlUL0NTQUlMKSA8dGltYmxAdzMub3JnPohkBBMRAgAkBQJB |
| 15:00:11 | <timbl> | EsNmAhsDBQkFo5qABgsJCAcDAgMVAgMDFgIBAh4BAheAAAoJEDY6vzCfw9V+MvMA |
| 15:00:13 | <timbl> | nj/dwb+jphtqFOaHTAbwZ1P+MDsjAJ9Op7Z7GQYmT3YRwY6SjPMUEAbk2bkBDQRB |
| 15:00:15 | <timbl> | EsNoEAQAvB+EVh6pda14jrMgApACfHrUqq+8UvpO6gopKFADt3/IAINAeiHQdV/P |
| 15:00:17 | <timbl> | R8BbjbaaEi7VuC2otgPGy589YaHD8vLbpT4k/n5Tb7axNyiNWVhGhoaeGAb9BOVM |
| 15:00:19 | <timbl> | W+G/WLOBmDIJWEhL807C3Xoi9FOvZLLgF+8W03+YhhWAspHYh58AAwUEAIQeMgAl |
| 15:00:21 | <timbl> | ymUluuhesM8VCKnwghYDZz33H4hCUA0nGbGNQv61LUClqlnlbq3Aq6aZwEtRplx1 |
| 15:00:23 | <timbl> | 1XyRf+hcqq7JTcZFmdT/syUwRKlxUmkUxWx60GmAdKAMfWCPV3wilL6JyrGOfffy |
| 15:00:25 | <timbl> | wP/jytbW876cp9JKYJVEdCy8vZa8CFvJWo+OiE8EGBECAA8FAkESw2gCGwwFCQWj |
| 15:00:27 | <timbl> | moAACgkQNjq/MJ/D1X5B8QCdEFmFcSnvErlRNAL0wO57O3WA2XIAn1w4i13VIr9H |
| 15:00:29 | <timbl> | ZolpWlZNX1WNwrVU |
| 15:00:31 | <timbl> | =C+Je |
| 15:00:33 | <timbl> | -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- |
| 15:00:35 | <timbl> | :) |
| 15:00:37 | <timbl> | ACTION apologizes for the long paste |
| 15:00:53 | <bblfish> | If I do this for everyone I know that's going to make for a long foaf file |
| 15:01:07 | <bblfish> | Perhaps not, if I don't know that many people. |
| 15:01:38 | <timbl> | That is better than knowing too many. |
| 15:01:49 | <quoll_> | what's the problem with a long foaf file? The computer shouldn't mind |
| 15:02:19 | <timbl> | We could certainly for example fix tabulator to recognize keys and suppress their display |
| 15:02:25 | <quoll_> | ACTION laugh when thinking of how many people timbl must associate with on a regular basis |
| 15:03:40 | <bblfish> | <http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/assurance> points to a resource I think |
| 15:03:42 | <hermit> | There is a limited number of people I would be prepared to sign FOAF files of. |
| 15:04:13 | <bblfish> | I could just put the signature on my server, and point to it |
| 15:04:35 | <hermit> | hmm signin things I get gpg: no default secret key: unusable secret key |
| 15:04:38 | <hermit> | darn |
| 15:05:54 | <bblfish> | Are people happy with the wot ontology? |
| 15:06:53 | <HarryH> | Danja - please come to GRDDL WG meeting |
| 15:07:24 | <bblfish> | ACTION probably herding his cats |
| 15:08:54 | <bblfish> | timbl: are you going to use wos to point to your signature? |
| 15:09:27 | <bblfish> | I mean wot |
| 15:10:01 | <timbl> | IIRC wot is not properly online |
| 15:10:58 | <bblfish> | I know I sent it to danbri yesterday, content neg problem |
| 15:11:27 | <bblfish> | the file is at http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/index.rdf |
| 15:11:49 | <bblfish> | there was a similar problem with foaf a few months ago |
| 15:13:19 | <HarryH> | ACTION [DONE]: jjc to organize library tests; link from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library |
| 15:13:37 | <HarryH> | ACTION [CONTINUES]: jjc to dispose of @@s in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library (and in docs of 3 txforms) |
| 15:13:41 | <HarryH> | Zakim, open item 13 |
| 15:13:47 | <dajobe> | HarryH: wrong channel |
| 15:13:50 | <dajobe> | and server |
| 15:13:52 | <IvanHerman> | ACTION things Harry is on the wrong channel |
| 15:17:41 | <dajobe> | http://www.w3.org/2007/06/OWLCharter |
| 15:17:52 | <dajobe> | B:|OWL Working Group (proposed) Charter |
| 15:18:07 | <dajobe> | B:including possible (new?) XML syntax for it |
| 15:20:00 | <bblfish> | ? I don't understand the need for a syntax for OWL |
| 15:20:16 | <dajobe> | B:I would suggest they start no earlier than both DAWG and GRDDL WG finish |
| 15:20:17 | <bblfish> | Use Turtle |
| 15:20:59 | <dajobe> | yeah I must get back to that, and hide from IvanHerman |
| 15:21:07 | <dajobe> | ACTION -> 7.5hrs of meetings |
| 15:26:15 | <drrho> | ACTION is back |
| 15:26:37 | <bblfish> | wot seems to make a distinction between the wot:PubKey and the wot:pubKeyAddress . Looks like they should be the same no? |
| 15:28:25 | <bengee> | ACTION wonders if they are going to introduce new ontology language flavours until the SemWeb's entire marketability is destroyed... |
| 15:29:04 | <bblfish> | A:= http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/ |
| 15:29:11 | <timbl> | ACTION guesses they mean wot:publicKeyFile |
| 15:29:17 | <timbl> | whcoh is diff from key |
| 15:29:32 | <bblfish> | A:| Web of trust |
| 15:29:38 | <timbl> | when something has "addresss" which takes a string that is a pain. |
| 15:29:42 | <Arnia> | bengee: depends upon what you consider to be a good ontology semantics, or even if you believe ontology is the best way to represent knowledge |
| 15:29:43 | <timbl> | but logical. |
| 15:29:50 | <bblfish> | A: discussion on the wot ontology and adding these to our foaf files |
| 15:30:05 | <timbl> | Should have "keyfile" which takes <> not "" |
| 15:30:35 | <timbl> | There is a new syntax called out in the charter? |
| 15:30:51 | <bblfish> | Ok, well that is probably just me now understanding enough about a PubKey, and its relation to a pubkey file |
| 15:31:02 | <Arnia> | bengee: I personally don't think OWL is the right approach, most do. At least we have the freedom to pick the logic which works for us and our applications :) |
| 15:31:12 | <Arnia> | ACTION would hate to be forced to use OWL ;) |
| 15:32:21 | <bblfish> | the idea of a new syntax just for owl is pretty weird. -1 from me |
| 15:32:25 | <bengee> | yeah, maybe yet another ont option just accelerates the trend to focus on the more practical parts of the semweb menu.. |
| 15:32:35 | <KjetilK> | oooooh, the Arnia has returned! :-) |
| 15:32:54 | <Arnia> | Indeed. Currently hitting prolog with a pointed stick |
| 15:33:04 | <KjetilK> | :-) |
| 15:33:21 | <KjetilK> | Any semantic desktop work lately? |
| 15:33:45 | <bblfish> | ACTION off to create a pgp public key for bblfish |
| 15:34:08 | <KjetilK> | ACTION notes that he should meet bblfish one day to exchange signatures |
| 15:34:12 | <Arnia> | KjetilK: some... working on other bits of the puzzle atm though (and my PhD of course) |
| 15:34:27 | <bblfish> | ACTION :-) |
| 15:34:48 | <KjetilK> | ACTION pokes timbl too about that signature... :-) |
| 15:35:02 | <Arnia> | KjetilK: I'm currently writing an experiment in preference systems for the semantic web by using a non-axiomatic logic as a semantics for RDF |
| 15:35:28 | <Arnia> | (this is in parallel to writing a category theory account of RDF/RDFS/SWRL etc) |
| 15:35:37 | <Arnia> | ACTION should stop splitting himself into so many bits |
| 15:35:47 | <KjetilK> | hehe |
| 15:35:52 | <KjetilK> | Arnia: cool |
| 15:36:24 | <KjetilK> | it seems like redland is going into KDE 4 |
| 15:37:02 | <Arnia> | aha |
| 15:37:35 | <KjetilK> | which should expose a lot more real users to a semantic desktop |
| 15:37:46 | <Arnia> | I think my main problem is that I hate coding... it is so much more messy than thought :) |
| 15:37:52 | <KjetilK> | of course, it will take a long time, but when the infrastructure gets there |
| 15:37:57 | <KjetilK> | hehe |
| 15:38:00 | <Arnia> | Unsurprisingly I'm a fan of haskell |
| 15:38:08 | <bblfish> | how long should my key be valid for? |
| 15:38:14 | <Arnia> | KjetilK: still needs a frege-like layer I think |
| 15:38:25 | <KjetilK> | bblfish: mine doesn't expire |
| 15:38:44 | <KjetilK> | you can always revoke it if you have the secret key and remember the passphrase |
| 15:38:57 | <Arnia> | Actually, I'm beginning to think the semantic desktop is impossible within current dominant UI and SE paradigms |
| 15:39:07 | <Arnia> | ACTION will write a paper on that rather than babble though |
| 15:39:16 | <KjetilK> | Arnia: mmmm, ok |
| 15:39:38 | <KjetilK> | still, it would be enormously cool to have the data of digikam on the semweb |
| 15:39:57 | <KjetilK> | and a policy-aware-web thingie to declare who is allowed to see them |
| 15:41:09 | <Arnia> | KjetilK: oh yes, but I don't see it being particularly sensible until 'trust' (not as in Web-of-Trust, but as in the confidence one has in a given truth-valued statement) is part of the meaning of the statements |
| 15:41:24 | <Arnia> | But that's what my experiment is all about :) |
| 15:41:31 | <KjetilK> | ah :-) |
| 15:41:32 | <bblfish> | the trick is always to start small |
| 15:41:52 | <bblfish> | if you need to make huge changes to get something going, then you have started too big |
| 15:41:55 | <KjetilK> | Arnia: let us hope for a positive outcome |
| 15:42:17 | <bblfish> | I suggest helping out on the Baetnik address book, as a good starting point |
| 15:42:33 | <bblfish> | its at https://sommer.dev.java.net in the repository there |
| 15:43:02 | <Arnia> | bblfish: that's why I'm looking to give RDF a non-axiomatic semantics. No need to change the syntax... but you gain the additional semantics needed |
| 15:43:20 | <Arnia> | ACTION should prod someone to port Frege to Cocoa |
| 15:43:53 | <bblfish> | ah. look forward for that paper. Just learning about gpg right now... |
| 15:44:06 | <Arnia> | Don't have time myself, but I can provide a lot of notes making it mostly a matter of Ikea-coding |
| 15:58:18 | <KjetilK> | I've been on vacation, moving apartments and getting into a new job, so I have fallen a bit behind |
| 15:58:41 | <KjetilK> | I was just wondering what the status of the vcard stuff is right now? |
| 16:00:45 | <bengee> | they drifted off *slightly* and discuss a new RDF now.. |
| 16:01:02 | <KjetilK> | hehe |
| 16:01:32 | <KjetilK> | yeah, I think I caught a brief glimpse of problems of literals in lists in RDF/XML |
| 16:04:49 | <bblfish> | Garret Wilson is a bit tiring I find |
| 16:05:17 | <xi_> | yeah he should make his point and get over it |
| 16:05:46 | <xi_> | i did find the 'literal resources' discussion useful. at least 20% of it - ended up doing something similar in the backend of a store - what comes out appears as normal RDF though.. |
| 16:05:58 | <bblfish> | I think I have pointed out to him that 3 = "3"^^xxx:int; rel:int "3". |
| 16:06:11 | <bblfish> | I mean they are all equal |
| 16:06:22 | <bblfish> | yes. the discussion was helpful |
| 16:07:18 | <xi_> | speficailly, i added a 'read/write (non-meta)-data associated with this URI) and just throw the literals in a binary blob, and identify the blobs by the hash of the contents, and use that URI in place ofa literall internally |
| 16:07:51 | <xi_> | ACTION hasnt read 'contextual properties' brouhaha yet |
| 16:45:18 | <bblfish> | 18:33:54 - ~/Documents/card |
| 16:45:18 | <bblfish> | hjs@bblfish:0$ gpg --list-keys henry.story@bblfish.net |
| 16:45:19 | <bblfish> | pub 1024D/C7DEAB05 2007-08-08 |
| 16:45:19 | <bblfish> | uid Henry J. Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> |
| 16:45:19 | <bblfish> | sub 2048g/115243F3 2007-08-08 |
| 16:45:36 | <bblfish> | I can't remember what my key length is, and I don't know how to interpret that |
| 16:45:40 | <bblfish> | is it 1024? |
| 16:48:05 | <sbp> | the public key, yeah. the subkey is 2048 |
| 16:48:09 | <sbp> | I dunno what the D and g stand for |
| 16:48:25 | <bblfish> | ok thanks.. |
| 16:48:53 | <sbp> | oh, type |
| 16:48:57 | <sbp> | D is DSA, g is ElGamal |
| 16:49:05 | <bblfish> | yep |
| 17:19:23 | <bblfish> | A: my new foaf file http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card has a pointer to my public key |
| 17:19:50 | <bblfish> | A: mail me if you find any problems with it |
| 17:20:05 | <bblfish> | ACTION got to go |
| 17:49:39 | <bblfish> | A: if possible mail me something encrypted with my signature :-) |
| 19:00:30 | <bblfish_> | mhh I can't set the base of a local file with cwm |
| 19:00:44 | <bblfish_> | hjs@bblfish:2$ cat test.n3 |
| 19:00:44 | <bblfish_> | <test> a <http://eg.com/Something> . |
| 19:01:50 | <bblfish_> | hjs@bblfish:2$ cwm test.n3 --ntriples --base=http://bblfish.net/people/henry/ |
| 19:01:51 | <bblfish_> | |
| 19:01:51 | <bblfish_> | <file:///Users/hjs/Documents/card/test> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://eg.com/Something> . |
| 19:02:38 | <timbl_> | bblfish, cwm undocumented support for @base |
| 19:02:49 | <bblfish_> | ah. Thanks |
| 19:04:15 | <bblfish_> | how does it work? |
| 19:04:28 | <bblfish_> | @base <http://eg.com> . |
| 19:05:57 | <bblfish_> | ? |
| 19:07:26 | <bblfish_> | ah I found ./test/n3/n3-full.tests: |
| 19:07:38 | <bblfish_> | I mean ./test/n3/n3-full.tests it uses @base |
| 19:13:37 | <timbl_> | ACTION is happy the syntax was obvious :) |
| 19:13:48 | <timbl_> | Not it can take a relative uri, rel to previous base |
| 19:14:36 | <bblfish_> | is this right: |
| 19:14:37 | <bblfish_> | hjs@bblfish:3$ cat test.n3 |
| 19:14:37 | <bblfish_> | @base <http://bblfish.net/> . |
| 19:14:37 | <bblfish_> | <test> a <http://eg.com/Something> . |
| 19:15:19 | <bblfish_> | I get this |
| 19:15:20 | <bblfish_> | hjs@bblfish:3$ cwm test.n3 |
| 19:15:20 | <bblfish_> | #Processed by Id: cwm.py,v 1.194 2007-08-06 16:13:56 syosi Exp |
| 19:15:20 | <bblfish_> | # using base file:///Users/hjs/Documents/card/test.n3 |
| 19:15:21 | <bblfish_> | # next char: u'@' |
| 19:15:21 | <bblfish_> | Failed to parse file:///Users/hjs/Documents/card/test.n3 |
| 19:15:21 | <bblfish_> | file:///Users/hjs/Documents/card/test.n3 |
| 19:15:23 | <bblfish_> | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 19:15:25 | <bblfish_> | File "/Users/hjs/Programming/w3c/2000/10/swap/cwm.py", line 746, in <module> |
| 19:15:27 | <bblfish_> | doCommand() |
| 19:15:29 | <bblfish_> | File "/Users/hjs/Programming/w3c/2000/10/swap/cwm.py", line 454, in doCommand |
| 19:15:31 | <bblfish_> | why=myReason) |
| 19:15:33 | <bblfish_> | File "/Users/hjs/Programming/w3c/2000/10/swap/webAccess.py", line 225, in load |
| 19:15:35 | <bblfish_> | p.feed(buffer) |
| 19:15:37 | <bblfish_> | File "/Users/hjs/Programming/w3c/2000/10/swap/notation3.py", line 217, in feed |
| 19:15:39 | <bblfish_> | "expected directive or statement") |
| 19:15:41 | <bblfish_> | swap.notation3.BadSyntax: Line 1 of <file:///Users/hjs/Documents/card/test.n3>: Bad syntax (expected directive or statement) at ^ in: |
| 19:15:44 | <bblfish_> | "^@base <http://bblfish.net/> . |
| 19:15:46 | <bblfish_> | <test> a <http://eg.com/Somet..." |
| 19:16:28 | <timbl_> | you need a pretty recent cwm |
| 19:16:39 | <bblfish_> | that's right from CVS |
| 19:16:41 | <bblfish_> | I think |
| 19:16:45 | <timbl_> | ACTION wonders wehther he checked in then |
| 19:22:04 | <bblfish_> | just in case |
| 19:22:05 | <bblfish_> | hjs@bblfish:2$ cat CVS/Root |
| 19:22:05 | <bblfish_> | :pserver:anonymous@dev.w3.org:/sources/public |
| 19:36:51 | <bblfish_> | timbl: would it not be more interesting instead of me having your public key in my foaf file, for me to point to a file that signs your public key? |
| 19:37:05 | <bblfish_> | with my public key |
| 19:38:15 | <bblfish> | ACTION got to go |
| 21:25:48 | <lordi> | is there any RDF database engine thats not written in java and is fast enough for a website? e.g. a query over thousands of triples stored |
| 21:26:28 | <kasei> | redland? |
| 21:28:51 | <lordi> | thx, I'll have a look |
| 22:22:55 | <lordi> | given that rdf, http://dpaste.com/16393/, is it possible to write an sparql query returns all the parent classes of "poodle"... here its "dog, animal" |
| 22:39:54 | <tommorris> | lordi: got it |
| 22:41:09 | <tommorris> | see http://dpaste.com/hold/16398/ |
| 22:50:22 | <lordi> | tommorris, hm doesn't work for me. |
| 22:50:38 | <tommorris> | i tested it in sparql.org - it may be buggy |
| 22:51:00 | <CaptSolo> | nice lift-off of the space shuttle |
| 22:51:20 | <tommorris> | Oh, you need to put in the URI of your file |
| 22:51:27 | <lordi> | but thx anyways |
| 22:51:30 | <tommorris> | go to http://sparql.org/sparql.html |
| 22:51:33 | <tommorris> | paste the query in |
| 22:51:42 | <tommorris> | then pop http://dpaste.com/16393/plain/ in the target graph uri field |
| 22:53:04 | <lordi> | yea, that does it |
| 22:53:47 | <lordi> | but I'm not succesful with redland |
| 22:53:52 | <lordi> | maybe that is buggy, then |
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