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| 02:21:59 | <dajobe> | right, found the darn bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407731 in libxslt is fixed. 1.1.21 will have it |
| 04:22:32 | <HarryH> | Anyone up late and ahve experience with pubrules? |
| 04:22:38 | <HarryH> | I'm getting an odd error... |
| 04:23:46 | <dajobe> | hey |
| 04:24:11 | <HarryH> | Hey Dave! |
| 04:24:49 | <dajobe> | it's been a few years but I might |
| 04:25:10 | <HarryH> | Something weird's going on... |
| 04:25:16 | <HarryH> | http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html |
| 04:25:18 | <HarryH> | That's the problem. |
| 04:25:31 | <HarryH> | It's valid XHTML 1.0 according to the Validator. |
| 04:26:01 | <HarryH> | Yet, when I run pubrules ala |
| 04:26:04 | <HarryH> | http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html,pubrules |
| 04:26:12 | <HarryH> | I get: |
| 04:26:15 | <HarryH> | Using org.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXParser Exception net.sf.saxon.trans.DynamicError: org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The element type "td" must be terminated by the matching end-tag "". org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The element type "td" must be terminated by the matching end-tag "". |
| 04:26:29 | <HarryH> | Which to me seems to say, hey, you're just missing an end-tag! |
| 04:26:41 | <HarryH> | But why was this not caught by the XHTML Validator. |
| 04:26:47 | <HarryH> | Or any of my XML validators... |
| 04:26:55 | <HarryH> | It's driving me a bit batty looking for the solution. |
| 04:27:24 | <dajobe> | I don't see that error at all |
| 04:27:34 | <HarryH> | Did you just run ,pubrules. |
| 04:27:59 | <dajobe> | yes |
| 04:28:11 | <HarryH> | OK. Must be a cache problem... |
| 04:28:16 | <HarryH> | I have another question for you. |
| 04:28:34 | <HarryH> | In the Primer, there's this example where we are trying to show off that you can run GRDDL, then run an OWL inference, and get soemthing neat out. |
| 04:28:49 | <HarryH> | In particular, this part of the primer: |
| 04:29:20 | <HarryH> | http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html#hl7 |
| 04:30:10 | <HarryH> | But we're not sure how to tell the audience to get RDF, then merge with new OWL class and OWL ontology, run inference, and then SPARQL final result. |
| 04:31:00 | <HarryH> | Furthermore, Chime wrote this: |
| 04:31:02 | <HarryH> | ex:DiagnosingImage a owl:Class; |
| 04:31:02 | <HarryH> | rdfs:subClassOf foaf:Image, |
| 04:31:02 | <HarryH> | [ a owl:Restriction; |
| 04:31:02 | <HarryH> | owl:onProperty ex:indicates; |
| 04:31:02 | <HarryH> | owl:someValuesFrom cpr:medical-sign ]. |
| 04:31:13 | <HarryH> | ex:indicates a owl:ObjectProperty; |
| 04:31:13 | <HarryH> | rdfs:comment "Property relating a foaf:Image to a medical sign it indicates"; |
| 04:31:13 | <HarryH> | rdfs:subPropertyOf [ owl:inverseOf cpr:interpretant-of ]; |
| 04:31:13 | <HarryH> | rdfs:domain foaf:Image; |
| 04:31:13 | <HarryH> | rdfs:range cpr:medical-sign. |
| 04:31:17 | <HarryH> | Which at least to cwm seems broken. |
| 04:31:58 | <dajobe> | broken? |
| 04:33:07 | <dajobe> | maybe seems to be a prdicate missing in the owl:Class |
| 04:33:21 | <dajobe> | before [ a owl:Restriction |
| 04:33:32 | <HarryH> | That seems right. |
| 04:33:52 | <HarryH> | I think what Chime wanted to say was: |
| 04:34:08 | <HarryH> | ex:DiagnosingImage a owl:Class; |
| 04:34:09 | <HarryH> | rdfs:subClassOf foaf:Image. |
| 04:34:55 | <HarryH> | ex:DiagnosingImage [ a owl:Restriction; |
| 04:34:55 | <HarryH> | owl:onProperty ex:indicates; |
| 04:34:55 | <HarryH> | owl:someValuesFrom cpr:medical-sign ]. |
| 04:35:13 | <dajobe> | not quite, see http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-guide/#PropertyRestrictions |
| 04:35:59 | <dajobe> | the missing predicate is rdfs:subClassOf |
| 04:36:07 | <HarryH> | Yep. |
| 04:36:09 | <HarryH> | That's right. |
| 09:51:29 | <bblfish> | is there a url for the history of a file in subversion? |
| 09:51:41 | <bblfish> | or do files have unique ids? |
| 09:59:05 | <jang> | previous revisions aren't directly exposed via url-space in svn |
| 10:00:41 | <jang> | all you get (from a web browser) is a view of the current tree |
| 16:15:09 | <danja> | . http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Misc/SemWebLogoIdeas - ndw logo http://nwalsh.com/ - could they be related? |
| 16:15:38 | <LeeF__> | fantastic :) |
| 16:15:40 | <nwalsh> | ACTION chuckles |
| 16:15:42 | <nwalsh> | News to me |
| 16:15:50 | <bengee> | ah, funny, I knew it was familiar |
| 16:15:51 | <LeeF__> | nwalsh _is_ The Semantic Web |
| 16:15:55 | <nwalsh> | ACTION laughs |
| 16:16:10 | <nwalsh> | Doomed, doomed, I tell you |
| 16:16:22 | <nwalsh> | If it relies on me, that is |
| 16:16:57 | <danja> | xproc stuff sounds cool nwalsh |
| 16:17:06 | <nwalsh> | thx |
| 16:19:07 | <danja> | a while back I did a little bit of work on chaining rdf 'validators' together, was tricky deciding what to pass along (can't remember offhand, I probably just used strings...) |
| 16:19:43 | <danja> | xmlevent sounds good (though obviously no much use for rdf) |
| 16:20:46 | <nwalsh> | no, I suppose you'd want triples or something |
| 16:21:03 | <danja> | bengee, the little corner sub-icons are sweet, I particularly like the evil GRDDL thresher ;-) |
| 16:21:12 | <danja> | nwalsh, right |
| 16:21:15 | <bengee> | heh, thx |
| 16:21:36 | <danja> | ACTION -> dogwalk |
| 17:39:43 | <zeeeeee> | hi all, is there any literature that would help explain this "triple set" data model? (why it's chosen, what its merits are, comparison with other data models, etc.) |
| 18:35:34 | <kpreid> | zeeeeee: I don't have any references for you, but my own very-short-version: any subset or union of sets of triples is equally valid |
| 18:35:52 | <kpreid> | i.e. you can work with partial or merged collections of information |
| 18:57:42 | <Iceshifter> | Anyone here an expert with CSS? I'm having a few flaws come up with a web design and I can't seem to quirk them out. |
| 18:57:46 | <Iceshifter> | It's driving me mad. |
| 20:09:57 | <zeeeeee> | kpreid: sorry, i'm lacking some context for what you're describing... |
| 20:10:47 | <kpreid> | that's my view of what the advantage of the set-of-triples data model is |
| 20:12:52 | <zeeeeee> | kpreid: could you give me an example of what you're referring to? |
| 20:13:20 | <kpreid> | sure. |
| 20:13:44 | <zeeeeee> | it seems to me that triples are flexible, but the converse of this is that they can be difficult to integrate |
| 20:14:05 | <kpreid> | 1. take any two RDF documents. you can merge them (a purely syntactic operation) and have a valid document with all the information of the originals |
| 20:14:55 | <kpreid> | 2. you can delete *any* triples out of some RDF document and still use it for some purpose provided the triples you deleted aren't relevant to *that purpose* |
| 20:15:14 | <kpreid> | there is no overall data format that is damaged by these set operations |
| 20:15:45 | <kpreid> | the worst that can happen is that you can have either (a) contradictory claims, or (b) insufficient information |
| 20:16:04 | <kpreid> | but deleting bits of a document isn't really interesting |
| 20:16:17 | <kpreid> | what's interesting is that you can *generate* RDF given sketchy information |
| 20:17:00 | <kpreid> | this is particularly interesting if you're doing so automatically in a situation where you don't have further information and don't know whether there *is* any further information |
| 20:18:17 | <kpreid> | and using RDF you can provide that information in a format which doesn't *require* you to state more than you know |
| 20:18:24 | <zeeeeee> | this model doesn't capture any structural constraints or schema, and you're saying that this is as much an advantage as i feel it could be a disadvantage |
| 20:19:36 | <zeeeeee> | (the lack of coherence seems to make integration much harder) |
| 20:22:15 | <kpreid> | depends on the kind of integration! |
| 20:49:09 | <dmiles_afk> | ok brainsqueezer,, right server |
| 20:49:26 | <dmiles_afk> | now the wrong channel :P .... but maybe someone here helps |
| 20:49:38 | <dmiles_afk> | but i'd try #csharp and ##mono |
| 20:51:40 | <brainsqueezer> | i wanted this channel |
| 20:51:54 | <brainsqueezer> | don't like csharp |
| 20:51:55 | <brainsqueezer> | grrrrrr |
| 20:52:04 | <dmiles_afk> | i love this channel too ;P |
| 20:52:22 | <brainsqueezer> | does the name have any relation with csharp? |
| 20:52:45 | <dmiles_afk> | this is Sematic Web channel |
| 20:52:52 | <brainsqueezer> | i know.... |
| 20:53:09 | <dmiles_afk> | ##mono is the cross platform CSharp (i guess) |
| 20:53:24 | <dmiles_afk> | oh whoa .. you want semantic web?! |
| 20:53:32 | <brainsqueezer> | yes!! |
| 20:53:37 | <dmiles_afk> | lol sorry |
| 20:53:44 | <dmiles_afk> | i am so used to it being the other way arround |
| 20:53:45 | <brainsqueezer> | knwo about doac? |
| 20:54:20 | <dmiles_afk> | doca ? |
| 20:54:26 | <brainsqueezer> | doac |
| 20:54:34 | <brainsqueezer> | description of a career |
| 20:54:52 | <brainsqueezer> | http://ramonantonio.net/doac/ |
| 20:54:55 | <brainsqueezer> | that's me |
| 20:55:04 | <dmiles_afk> | ok someone here might.. back to my SWIGing of a CSharp project ;P |
| 20:55:34 | <dmiles_afk> | D:| Description of a Career |
| 20:56:52 | <brainsqueezer> | anybody knwo kow this boot work? |
| 20:56:53 | <brainsqueezer> | xD |
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