Experimental IRC log swig-2007-04-25

Available formats: content-negotiated html turtle (see SIOC for the vocabulary)

Back to channel and daily index: content-negotiated html turtle

These logs are provided as an experiment in indexing discussions using IRCHub.py, Irc2RDF.hs, and SIOC.

02:21:59<dajobe>right, found the darn bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407731 in libxslt is fixed. 1.1.21 will have it
04:22:32<HarryH>Anyone up late and ahve experience with pubrules?
04:22:38<HarryH>I'm getting an odd error...
04:23:46<dajobe>hey
04:24:11<HarryH>Hey Dave!
04:24:49<dajobe>it's been a few years but I might
04:25:10<HarryH>Something weird's going on...
04:25:16<HarryH>http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html
04:25:18<HarryH>That's the problem.
04:25:31<HarryH>It's valid XHTML 1.0 according to the Validator.
04:26:01<HarryH>Yet, when I run pubrules ala
04:26:04<HarryH>http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html,pubrules
04:26:12<HarryH>I get:
04:26:15<HarryH>Using org.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXParser Exception net.sf.saxon.trans.DynamicError: org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The element type "td" must be terminated by the matching end-tag "". org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The element type "td" must be terminated by the matching end-tag "".
04:26:29<HarryH>Which to me seems to say, hey, you're just missing an end-tag!
04:26:41<HarryH>But why was this not caught by the XHTML Validator.
04:26:47<HarryH>Or any of my XML validators...
04:26:55<HarryH>It's driving me a bit batty looking for the solution.
04:27:24<dajobe>I don't see that error at all
04:27:34<HarryH>Did you just run ,pubrules.
04:27:59<dajobe>yes
04:28:11<HarryH>OK. Must be a cache problem...
04:28:16<HarryH>I have another question for you.
04:28:34<HarryH>In the Primer, there's this example where we are trying to show off that you can run GRDDL, then run an OWL inference, and get soemthing neat out.
04:28:49<HarryH>In particular, this part of the primer:
04:29:20<HarryH>http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html#hl7
04:30:10<HarryH>But we're not sure how to tell the audience to get RDF, then merge with new OWL class and OWL ontology, run inference, and then SPARQL final result.
04:31:00<HarryH>Furthermore, Chime wrote this:
04:31:02<HarryH>ex:DiagnosingImage a owl:Class;
04:31:02<HarryH> rdfs:subClassOf foaf:Image,
04:31:02<HarryH> [ a owl:Restriction;
04:31:02<HarryH> owl:onProperty ex:indicates;
04:31:02<HarryH> owl:someValuesFrom cpr:medical-sign ].
04:31:13<HarryH>ex:indicates a owl:ObjectProperty;
04:31:13<HarryH> rdfs:comment "Property relating a foaf:Image to a medical sign it indicates";
04:31:13<HarryH> rdfs:subPropertyOf [ owl:inverseOf cpr:interpretant-of ];
04:31:13<HarryH> rdfs:domain foaf:Image;
04:31:13<HarryH> rdfs:range cpr:medical-sign.
04:31:17<HarryH>Which at least to cwm seems broken.
04:31:58<dajobe>broken?
04:33:07<dajobe>maybe seems to be a prdicate missing in the owl:Class
04:33:21<dajobe>before [ a owl:Restriction
04:33:32<HarryH>That seems right.
04:33:52<HarryH>I think what Chime wanted to say was:
04:34:08<HarryH>ex:DiagnosingImage a owl:Class;
04:34:09<HarryH> rdfs:subClassOf foaf:Image.
04:34:55<HarryH>ex:DiagnosingImage [ a owl:Restriction;
04:34:55<HarryH> owl:onProperty ex:indicates;
04:34:55<HarryH> owl:someValuesFrom cpr:medical-sign ].
04:35:13<dajobe>not quite, see http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-guide/#PropertyRestrictions
04:35:59<dajobe>the missing predicate is rdfs:subClassOf
04:36:07<HarryH>Yep.
04:36:09<HarryH>That's right.
09:51:29<bblfish>is there a url for the history of a file in subversion?
09:51:41<bblfish>or do files have unique ids?
09:59:05<jang>previous revisions aren't directly exposed via url-space in svn
10:00:41<jang>all you get (from a web browser) is a view of the current tree
16:15:09<danja>. http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Misc/SemWebLogoIdeas - ndw logo http://nwalsh.com/ - could they be related?
16:15:38<LeeF__>fantastic :)
16:15:40<nwalsh>ACTION chuckles
16:15:42<nwalsh>News to me
16:15:50<bengee>ah, funny, I knew it was familiar
16:15:51<LeeF__>nwalsh _is_ The Semantic Web
16:15:55<nwalsh>ACTION laughs
16:16:10<nwalsh>Doomed, doomed, I tell you
16:16:22<nwalsh>If it relies on me, that is
16:16:57<danja>xproc stuff sounds cool nwalsh
16:17:06<nwalsh>thx
16:19:07<danja>a while back I did a little bit of work on chaining rdf 'validators' together, was tricky deciding what to pass along (can't remember offhand, I probably just used strings...)
16:19:43<danja>xmlevent sounds good (though obviously no much use for rdf)
16:20:46<nwalsh>no, I suppose you'd want triples or something
16:21:03<danja>bengee, the little corner sub-icons are sweet, I particularly like the evil GRDDL thresher ;-)
16:21:12<danja>nwalsh, right
16:21:15<bengee>heh, thx
16:21:36<danja>ACTION -> dogwalk
17:39:43<zeeeeee>hi all, is there any literature that would help explain this "triple set" data model? (why it's chosen, what its merits are, comparison with other data models, etc.)
18:35:34<kpreid>zeeeeee: I don't have any references for you, but my own very-short-version: any subset or union of sets of triples is equally valid
18:35:52<kpreid>i.e. you can work with partial or merged collections of information
18:57:42<Iceshifter>Anyone here an expert with CSS? I'm having a few flaws come up with a web design and I can't seem to quirk them out.
18:57:46<Iceshifter>It's driving me mad.
20:09:57<zeeeeee>kpreid: sorry, i'm lacking some context for what you're describing...
20:10:47<kpreid>that's my view of what the advantage of the set-of-triples data model is
20:12:52<zeeeeee>kpreid: could you give me an example of what you're referring to?
20:13:20<kpreid>sure.
20:13:44<zeeeeee>it seems to me that triples are flexible, but the converse of this is that they can be difficult to integrate
20:14:05<kpreid>1. take any two RDF documents. you can merge them (a purely syntactic operation) and have a valid document with all the information of the originals
20:14:55<kpreid>2. you can delete *any* triples out of some RDF document and still use it for some purpose provided the triples you deleted aren't relevant to *that purpose*
20:15:14<kpreid>there is no overall data format that is damaged by these set operations
20:15:45<kpreid>the worst that can happen is that you can have either (a) contradictory claims, or (b) insufficient information
20:16:04<kpreid>but deleting bits of a document isn't really interesting
20:16:17<kpreid>what's interesting is that you can *generate* RDF given sketchy information
20:17:00<kpreid>this is particularly interesting if you're doing so automatically in a situation where you don't have further information and don't know whether there *is* any further information
20:18:17<kpreid>and using RDF you can provide that information in a format which doesn't *require* you to state more than you know
20:18:24<zeeeeee>this model doesn't capture any structural constraints or schema, and you're saying that this is as much an advantage as i feel it could be a disadvantage
20:19:36<zeeeeee>(the lack of coherence seems to make integration much harder)
20:22:15<kpreid>depends on the kind of integration!
20:49:09<dmiles_afk>ok brainsqueezer,, right server
20:49:26<dmiles_afk>now the wrong channel :P .... but maybe someone here helps
20:49:38<dmiles_afk>but i'd try #csharp and ##mono
20:51:40<brainsqueezer>i wanted this channel
20:51:54<brainsqueezer>don't like csharp
20:51:55<brainsqueezer>grrrrrr
20:52:04<dmiles_afk>i love this channel too ;P
20:52:22<brainsqueezer>does the name have any relation with csharp?
20:52:45<dmiles_afk>this is Sematic Web channel
20:52:52<brainsqueezer>i know....
20:53:09<dmiles_afk>##mono is the cross platform CSharp (i guess)
20:53:24<dmiles_afk>oh whoa .. you want semantic web?!
20:53:32<brainsqueezer>yes!!
20:53:37<dmiles_afk>lol sorry
20:53:44<dmiles_afk>i am so used to it being the other way arround
20:53:45<brainsqueezer>knwo about doac?
20:54:20<dmiles_afk>doca ?
20:54:26<brainsqueezer>doac
20:54:34<brainsqueezer>description of a career
20:54:52<brainsqueezer>http://ramonantonio.net/doac/
20:54:55<brainsqueezer>that's me
20:55:04<dmiles_afk>ok someone here might.. back to my SWIGing of a CSharp project ;P
20:55:34<dmiles_afk>D:| Description of a Career
20:56:52<brainsqueezer>anybody knwo kow this boot work?
20:56:53<brainsqueezer>xD

Back to channel and daily index: content-negotiated html turtle