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| 17:32:04 | <tuukkah> | http://wave.google.com/ Why do we have to live with divides between different types of communication — email versus chat, or conversations versus documents? |
| 17:37:49 | <blx> | ..just send all your data to us! |
| 17:39:42 | <blx> | hmm, seems like you can run your own servers as well. interesting |
| 17:39:58 | <tuukkah> | yup - built on top of xmpp |
| 17:42:41 | <blx> | i wonder what their business model is |
| 17:45:56 | <tuukkah> | be ahead and attract users from their competitors? |
| 17:46:53 | <blx> | but if they let people run their own servers they cannot data mine for ad targeting for example |
| 17:47:17 | <blx> | unless they tie it in somehow with their own servers, like app engine |
| 17:52:40 | <tuukkah> | i think they make the system open in the hopes that it will be accepted by users |
| 17:53:49 | <blx> | this does sound great, i'm just naturally suspicious of google, they know too much already :) |
| 22:34:35 | <CaptSolo> | interesting re Google Wave |
| 22:34:53 | <CaptSolo> | makes sense re. getting rid of divide b/w different kinds of communication |
| 22:35:22 | <blx> | CaptSolo: that was actually a plan of mine as well |
| 22:35:35 | <CaptSolo> | blx: it might be that the majority of ppl will prefer a hosted solution rather than deploying their own |
| 22:35:50 | <CaptSolo> | so google would still get to mine ~70-80% of communication |
| 22:36:02 | <blx> | yes probably |
| 22:36:06 | <CaptSolo> | blx: interesting re. plan |
| 22:36:37 | <blx> | it would be neat to just base things on FOAF, updates in different kinds listed by person |
| 22:36:52 | <blx> | like, person A sent you a message and commented on person B's blog |
| 22:37:00 | <blx> | facebook already does this in a great way |
| 22:37:25 | <CaptSolo> | it also matches observations reported by one of participants of http://webcamp.org/SocialNetworks/ |
| 22:37:43 | <CaptSolo> | that different people have different preferred ways to receive conversations |
| 22:38:01 | <blx> | my systems rss reader is almost usable now :) |
| 22:38:09 | <CaptSolo> | even when conversations are on the same subject (which might ask you to pick one - a mailing list OR a blog OR ...) |
| 22:38:19 | <CaptSolo> | the solution is to bridge between them |
| 22:38:46 | <CaptSolo> | blx: the distributed p2p rss reader? |
| 22:38:53 | <CaptSolo> | or am i confusing 2 of your projects? |
| 22:39:17 | <blx> | it's the same project |
| 22:39:30 | <blx> | the rss data is not really fit for exporting though |
| 22:39:40 | <blx> | i'm planning on using it for local-only data as well |
| 22:39:47 | <CaptSolo> | how is that (not fit for exporting)? |
| 22:39:48 | <blx> | just so i can have one interface for everything |
| 22:39:53 | <CaptSolo> | as in - not interesting for exporting? |
| 22:40:06 | <blx> | well, i will use it for strictly private data as well |
| 22:40:07 | <CaptSolo> | sounds interesting |
| 22:40:15 | <CaptSolo> | 'd love to take a look once it is ready |
| 22:40:50 | <CaptSolo> | but others could use it for their private data, too, right? |
| 22:41:02 | <blx> | yep |
| 22:41:15 | <blx> | CaptSolo: github.com/krl/rhzm |
| 22:44:10 | <blx> | not very well documented or anything though.. |
| 22:49:18 | <blx> | (or usable) |
| 23:28:32 | <Shepard> | CaptSolo: my take on it is that all communication forms (e-mail, IM, phone etc.) have their unique areas of application where they are needed - otherwise they wouldn't have been specified |
| 23:28:48 | <Shepard> | but sometimes you need unifying views on them |
| 23:29:33 | <Shepard> | and that's exactly what SIOC does for online communication and collaboration - so we should keep a close eye on google wave to see if it can be exported to SIOC |
| 23:30:27 | <Shepard> | ah, missed something in the first line: unique areas of application (like in the CSCW matrix) |
| 23:33:06 | <Shepard> | (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_supported_cooperative_work ) |
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